2023 List Management

[Auntie.Gerald]

The best part is there will be something we all didn’t see coming

and that should send our little forum into meltdown quicker than Nick Blakey out of the backline ????????????

Enjoy your weekend everybody ????????

[Scottee]

I can see a few of the developing players on our list getting very nervous now.

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[The Big Cat]

Does anyone know when we'll announce delisting Gould and Co?

[Blood Fever]

Gould surely gone. Clarke as well I reckon. Houdini Reid to escape again probably.

[BRS328]

You are right Wolftone, and add to that we should have a relatively full draft hand with picks one, two, and three to go to the draft with.
I am assuming we will get a pick two for Stephens.
Adams would be the icing on the cake

[Auntie.Gerald]

What would the Pies want in return for Adams?

If they are happy to lighten cap and redirect their $ again ……maybe an early second rounder?

Or more?

[wolftone57]

The best part is there will be something we all didn’t see coming

and that should send our little forum into meltdown quicker than Nick Blakey out of the backline [emoji38][emoji38][emoji851]

Enjoy your weekend everybody [emoji119][emoji41]

Yes Hamling was a surprise. One of the footy writers said we were cooking some big deal. If it weren't for his inability to get his body right he would be a very good player. He was a second round pick in 2011. He is depth. Skilled depth but depth.

But Adams is all class. He has improved so much from his days at GWS. He was seen as a forward who pinch hit in the mids. Shiel, Kelly, Ward, Treloar, Whitfield & Greene ( Toby actually played mids then) were all ahead of him. But he has turned into a top hard, tough but skilled mid. I was more worried about what Adams would do than DeGoey. Adams tears defences apart with his delivery and ability to sidestep through traffic. He is also as tough as saddle leather.



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[BRS328]

Auntie, I would think an early second rounder would do the job. Can anyone recall what Collingwood gave up for Mitchell?

[wolftone57]

I hear you
Though just turning 30 a couple weeks ago and being 30 all of next season is a lot different to 34yrs of age

Issac smith moved at 32yrs of age from the hawks to the cats successfully

He would also play more than Mills in 2023

No mills for 6 to 12 games minimum is a serious weakening of our team in experience and role

We need to replace that minimum in our window like for like…….:but as suggested wicks for Patch and a difference in $150k pa or so is light years apart

Adams played half his game in Wicks role and half inside mid last season or two

What's more Adams arguably had his best season this year until the injury got him. I think he came back too early. He was explosive in his last game. Looked like tearing it apart.

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[wolftone57]

Ready made mature body for 2 years while young bodies like Sheldrick (just turned 20) and Roberts mature. Also, Rowbottom, Warner etc still getting stronger but not mature yet. May stll be media fantasy.

I love that Rowie got 3rd in the B & F. Who said he wasn't any good? He is sooo good. His tackling pressure is elite. His ability to extract without a stat is huge. Just pushing the ball into a Swan player's hands, knocking the ball out of a pack. No stat but important

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[wolftone57]

Gould surely gone. Clarke as well I reckon. Houdini Reid to escape again probably.

Clarke becomes redundant with players who are coming & the development in the latter part of the season of Konstanty & Hall-Kahan. Yes, Gould will probably be delisted. Although I think it is a wasted opportunity. If he was allowed to play his game he may have succeeded. But we needed a lock down defender not an intercept player when we had Paddy. But when Paddy went down so did every other KPD & he had to play on rucks & players like Kernow, who kicked 6 on Tommy. Sad really.

As to who else gets delisted. I think there are a few.





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[Ludwig]

This is how my player count goes based on the latest info:

Players In:

1. ND Pick 1
2. ND Pick 2 (Probably Cleary)
3. Buller
4. Arnold
5. Jordon
6. Hamling
7. Grundy
8. Adams?

Players Out (my rankings)

1. Paddy McCartin
2. Hickey
3. Franklin
4. Stephens
5. Owen
6. Clarke
7. Reid
8. Rankin
9. Gould
10. Magor
11. HHK
12. Wicks

This is my projection to reach the minimum 2 draft picks, excluding the disposition of Cat B rookies, which don't count for this purpose (Sheather).

Outs 1 through 6 are probably consensus. It gets more difficult after that. Arnold has not signed a new contract, but I'm assuming he did enough to earn a spot, so including him in the incoming list.

Based on performance, I would like to keep Magor and HHK, but are no certainties. I think the most vulnerable are Reid, Rankin and Gould.

My reasoning goes like this:

1. Hamling replaces Reid, due to comparable age and injury profile.
2. Gould holds a spot, but could be dropped to rookie listing. He finished the season well as a forward. A virtual toss-up with Reid to go.
3. I would like to keep Rankin, but if we add Adams or another player in trade period, it becomes a matter of how we rank the prospects of 3 young players.
4. For me, it would be a huge mistake to delist HKK: Hugomongus mistake. Abe Davis territory mistake. But that's just my assessment.
5. I think Magor is a better long-prospect than Rankin. I like Rankin's defensive ability and Wicks' level passion, but can be a turnover merchant comparable to Stephens. Magor looks the better long-term prospect. His disposal is good. He was taking our kickins in the 2nd half of the season.

I would prefer to have new recruits cutting in to our ND draft than making deeper cuts to current list. Holding 2nd round picks could be risky and might need to be used to secure Cleary. So better to keep a 1st rounder and trade down so we end up with just a round 1 pick and a couple of picks in the 50s for Cleary.

I would prefer to get NM's end of 1st round pick for Stephens, instead of a pick in the current draft. It was good how we managed to preserve our draft picks by landing 2 free agents. We now have some flexibility. Hopefully we can pick-trade our way to a better draft position over the next 2 drafts.

[Smith]

This is how my player count goes based on the latest info:

Players In:

1. ND Pick 1
2. ND Pick 2 (Probably Cleary)
3. Buller
4. Arnold
5. Jordon
6. Hamling
7. Grundy
8. Adams?

Players Out (my rankings)

1. Paddy McCartin
2. Hickey
3. Franklin
4. Stephens
5. Owen
6. Clarke
7. Reid
8. Rankin
9. Gould
10. Magor
11. HHK
12. Wicks

This is my projection to reach the minimum 2 draft picks, excluding the disposition of Cat B rookies, which don't count for this purpose (Sheather).

Outs 1 through 6 are probably consensus. It gets more difficult after that. Arnold has not signed a new contract, but I'm assuming he did enough to earn a spot, so including him in the incoming list.

Based on performance, I would like to keep Magor and HHK, but are no certainties. I think the most vulnerable are Reid, Rankin and Gould.

My reasoning goes like this:

1. Hamling replaces Reid, due to comparable age and injury profile.
2. Gould holds a spot, but could be dropped to rookie listing. He finished the season well as a forward. A virtual toss-up with Reid to go.
3. I would like to keep Rankin, but if we add Adams or another player in trade period, it becomes a matter of how we rank the prospects of 3 young players.
4. For me, it would be a huge mistake to delist HKK: Hugomongus mistake. Abe Davis territory mistake. But that's just my assessment.
5. I think Magor is a better long-prospect than Rankin. I like Rankin's defensive ability and Wicks' level passion, but can be a turnover merchant comparable to Stephens. Magor looks the better long-term prospect. His disposal is good. He was taking our kickins in the 2nd half of the season.

I would prefer to have new recruits cutting in to our ND draft than making deeper cuts to current list. Holding 2nd round picks could be risky and might need to be used to secure Cleary. So better to keep a 1st rounder and trade down so we end up with just a round 1 pick and a couple of picks in the 50s for Cleary.

I would prefer to get NM's end of 1st round pick for Stephens, instead of a pick in the current draft. It was good how we managed to preserve our draft picks by landing 2 free agents. We now have some flexibility. Hopefully we can pick-trade our way to a better draft position over the next 2 drafts.

What’s the read on Owen? He was always a long term prospect.

[The Big Cat]

This is how my player count goes based on the latest info:

Players In:

1. ND Pick 1
2. ND Pick 2 (Probably Cleary)
3. Buller
4. Arnold
5. Jordon
6. Hamling
7. Grundy
8. Adams?

Players Out (my rankings)

1. Paddy McCartin
2. Hickey
3. Franklin
4. Stephens
5. Owen
6. Clarke
7. Reid
8. Rankin
9. Gould
10. Magor
11. HHK
12. Wicks

This is my projection to reach the minimum 2 draft picks, excluding the disposition of Cat B rookies, which don't count for this purpose (Sheather).

Outs 1 through 6 are probably consensus. It gets more difficult after that. Arnold has not signed a new contract, but I'm assuming he did enough to earn a spot, so including him in the incoming list.

Based on performance, I would like to keep Magor and HHK, but are no certainties. I think the most vulnerable are Reid, Rankin and Gould.

My reasoning goes like this:

1. Hamling replaces Reid, due to comparable age and injury profile.
2. Gould holds a spot, but could be dropped to rookie listing. He finished the season well as a forward. A virtual toss-up with Reid to go.
3. I would like to keep Rankin, but if we add Adams or another player in trade period, it becomes a matter of how we rank the prospects of 3 young players.
4. For me, it would be a huge mistake to delist HKK: Hugomongus mistake. Abe Davis territory mistake. But that's just my assessment.
5. I think Magor is a better long-prospect than Rankin. I like Rankin's defensive ability and Wicks' level passion, but can be a turnover merchant comparable to Stephens. Magor looks the better long-term prospect. His disposal is good. He was taking our kickins in the 2nd half of the season.

I would prefer to have new recruits cutting in to our ND draft than making deeper cuts to current list. Holding 2nd round picks could be risky and might need to be used to secure Cleary. So better to keep a 1st rounder and trade down so we end up with just a round 1 pick and a couple of picks in the 50s for Cleary.

I would prefer to get NM's end of 1st round pick for Stephens, instead of a pick in the current draft. It was good how we managed to preserve our draft picks by landing 2 free agents. We now have some flexibility. Hopefully we can pick-trade our way to a better draft position over the next 2 drafts.

Reid definitely stays as does Magor and Wicks (altho I'd axe him)

[The Big Cat]

Clarke becomes redundant with players who are coming & the development in the latter part of the season of Konstanty & Hall-Kahan. Yes, Gould will probably be delisted. Although I think it is a wasted opportunity. If he was allowed to play his game he may have succeeded. But we needed a lock down defender not an intercept player when we had Paddy. But when Paddy went down so did every other KPD & he had to play on rucks & players like Kernow, who kicked 6 on Tommy. Sad really.

As to who else gets delisted. I think there are a few.

Gould came across as a HBF and probably showed a bit at underage because he was a comparatively big lad at an early age. He played a couple of impressive games at SANFL level apparently, but any of the top 300 potential draftees in any year would do that. It must be remembered that the SANFL is based on players who just aren't AFL standard with a few listed Crows and Power players thrown in. He has shown nothing in the three years to indicate he is an AFL player. Too slow for a running defender, too small as a key defender, nothing to indicate he's an intercept player. When he played in the AFL team, I can't remember ONE passage of play where I thought he had a chance to make it. His lack of discipline with weight and fitness in his first offseason probably told us his supposed leadership qualities were a overstated as well.

And for the life of me, I can't see why a number of people on this forum pump up Hall-Kahn's tyres. Even though at times the team have been decimated with injuries, I don't think the lad has ever been named an emergency for the seniors.