2023 List Management

[Dow]

I think you mean McAndrew not Mcdonald. I know there are a lot of Macs, we'll be set for the wet haha

Thank you I did lol ????

[liz]

Heard from a close source we have interest in Kane McAuliffe from North Adelaide.

Do we have the space to take another on the main list after upgrading Fox? I assume our one rookie spot is taken by Reid.

Liz, like you, to me, some of the pick trading defied logic.

Aside from the spot promised to Reid and one Cat b rookie spot, we have one other spot available. We can fill it tomorrow (ND), Wednesday (RD) or leave it open until the SPP.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

18yr old prospect ruck hope he is happy to play in the VFL for the next few seasons.

Is there a ruck spot for him to develop in the VFL? We played Owen as a defender through the latter half of this season down back, because there was no place for him to ruck or even to play forward in the VFL - with McAndrew, Mensa and Buller in that team.
Which suggests that there is something to what Ludwig, Nico and Mountain Man say, whether that's a the plan already or not - Green may get at least some development as a giant defender (ala McKay/Moore/Harris Andrews - all 2m+) if only because of the absence of alternative spots.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Kane McAuliffe

If the rumour is true Kane would be an exceptional pick up at the back end of the draft

187cm and 88kg
Long taking left foot
Inside mid bulll

But he was top5 in the standing vertical jump and running vertical jump at the combine along with top5 in the 20m sprint

A smart move as he has Chad Warner swagger about him and could develop very very well on a squad list to build his endurance

This midfielder nails goals on the run for fun! | 2023 AFL Draft prospect highlights - YouTube

[Auntie.Gerald]

I’m not sure how we would secure Kane though with what we have left at the draft table with only picks 59,70 and 71 remaining for us in this draft as at 530am Sydney time Tues

U would have to think a few other clubs are placed well before us and keen on him.

Coming into the draft he was arguably in the pick 30-40 range........ so are we considering a pick exchange in this draft and or using our future first rounder now that our pick 45/55 have been used up on Cleary?

You would have guess that pick 45 and or 55 would not have picked up Kane anyway and had to be used for pts on Cleary.

Our future first rounder might end up mid to high 20s next year so if we rate Kane highly I can see the logic to get back at the table today.

a little to unfold still or nothing at all except tagging on an academy player at the back end ?

[Markwebbos]

Well I got that all wrong, we probably could have got Green later with a pick swap but Cleary was a stumbling block that could have unraveled a swap. So we just bid a bit higher than we had to so we got our man.

I'll reserve judgement but his highlights look impressive enough and potentially got huge upside given he's a late serious starter. Looks to have a frame that will fill out into Grundy size. Remember that drafting is the long game, trading is the short game and we did well with the latter this off season.

Other than the two obvious winners, GC and the begging bowl that is Norf, the Crows scored two players I rated highly, they are building quickly.

Cleary at pick 24 may well prove a bargain, we were always matching.

In true broken draft fashion, we got Cleary at pick 24 but only gave up picks 43 & 47 but got back a bonus pick 63 (now pick 59) for the part of pick 47 not needed to match the bid. In the real world picks 43 & 47 do not get you pick 24 & 59.

I didn't see any pick trading by us on the screen but maybe I missed it. Lets see what the AFL site tells us tomorrow morning.

I think you may be right about a possible bid on Cleary derailing our pick swap with North. I also wonder if we thought GW$ were doing a deal with WCE and didn’t try and gazump in the way the Crows did.

KB said quite clearly before the draft he’d pick best available (using SD’s ratings) because we’d been able to trade for need already this year. So I’m assuming Green was considered the best available at our pick. It’s quite un-swans like to draft a ruckman with such a high pick.

We may try and pick up another KPP as a rookie?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Our last 3 picks (59,70,71) have the same value points as pick 40 ish

[i'm-uninformed2]

I haven't read all the posts while the draft was happening, so maybe someone has already raised this, but I don't understand some of the live trading.

In particular, Essendon giving up a second round pick to move up one spot in the draft. I reckon Geelong knew who Essendon wanted. If they'd been dead keen on Caddy they wouldn't have traded the pick. Essendon should have been able to work that out. So why not let Geelong pick whoever they were going to pick (ie O'Sullivan) and then pick Caddy with the very next pick?

I guess the only rationale would be to stop another club trading for Geelong's pick to jump in and take Caddy, but I suspect Geelong wouldn't have entertained a trade that moved them back more than a pick or two as they probably wouldn't have got O'Sullivan.

I am also curious about Beatson's comments that they wanted to trade to move forward but couldn't find a taker. GWS traded back with Adelaide to allow Adelaide to get Curtin. They got a (I think) future second rounder from Adelaide in return. Surely we could have trumped that by offering our end of first round pick? And then taken O'Sullivan. When the trade happened, I figured GWS didn't want to move back as far as our pick, but they then took Gothard, who would almost certainly still have been available at our pick.

Is it that Beatson had already decided they were just going Green? Or were they never interested in O'Sullivan but had interest in someone who had already gone? Or do Sydney and GWS not talk to each other?

To be fair to Beatson on this occasion, I think the issue was Adelaide could still offer two picks inside the top 20 this year for GWS to target specific players, whereas we could only offer up one this year and one next. That gave Adelaide and GWS additional flexibility to move picks around.

[Thunder Shaker]

The coverage of the pick trading hasn’t been as good this year as in previous drafts.

It does seem the trade pick that flashed up (with no further details) was us. Trusting an earlier post in this thread, we had enough points to match, so shouldn’t have needed to augment our hand. But I wouldn’t think there was much of a surplus to turn into something else.

I didn't see any pick trading by us on the screen but maybe I missed it. Lets see what the AFL site tells us tomorrow morning.

A pick trade between Sydney and the Western Bulldogs flashed up on screen for about 5 seconds after Collingwood bid on Cleary. It involved a pick swap of picks in the late 40s and some other picks.

I have seen no details of this pick trade on the AFL website.

The coverage of the pick trades was bad this year. Previously they were placed in the draft feed with the draft picks, but this year the AFL website has not included them.

[Thunder Shaker]

Fox Sports had a list of pick trades, but the Sydney-Bulldogs pick swap isn't listed. Link

Did that pick trade even happen?

[i'm-uninformed2]

The footy gods do giveth and taketh don’t they.

The goal umpire’s call in the Adelaide game helped us get into the finals, but probably cost us a shot at O’Sullivan. The inverse of what happened at the end of 2020 when Paps’ crap goalkicking in the final game vs Geelong got us Logan McDonald.

Anyhow, I’m less agitated than others by the call on Green. We’ve spent the last five years bemoaning the lack of ruckman on our list. And you draft for the next 10 years, not the next two. And by the time he starts to come into his own in years three, four and beyond, he will hopefully be a perfect successor to Grundy.

As for the lack of a key defender, I wish it was otherwise but there simply wasn’t a true KPD at our pick. The only tall defender taken after our pick was Dawson, who’s speculative and Norf could take a risk on given the AFL gave them so many hand outs.

I’m chuffed for Cleary, and hopefully we can find a late draft gem with our remaining pick.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Doggies supposedly now hold 45, 47 and 58 and us 59, 70 and 71

TRADES COMPLETED DURING 2023 AFL DRAFT

1. St Kilda gets pick 42. Melbourne gets a future third.

2. Brisbane gets pick 24. Gold Coast gets picks 30, 51, 54, and 65.

3. St Kilda gets pick 27. Gold Coast gets picks 40 and 42.

4. Fremantle gets pick 38. Gold Coast gets picks 46, 60 and 63.

5. Adelaide gets picks 8 and 17. GWS gets picks 11, 15 and a future second.

6. Essendon gets pick 10. Geelong gets picks 11 and 31.

7. GWS gets pick 17. St Kilda gets pick 18 and a future second.

[lwjoyner]

disappointed with our first pick not the playe rbut his posiiion would have preferred edwardes taken at pick 21by crows. spoke impressible on tv. need to develop a bigger bodied mid. Maybe stevens wont get drafted and we can get him on rookie list. So i also now assume no caleb may on rookies list
we now have alot of rucks If your include Buller, with ladhams the worst (has too many brain fades) what a bad decision this was. I hope that Hamling is cleared of all his injuries or we will struggle with lack of a key defender.

[lwjoyner]

Has anyone access to who has what picks on night 2 after all swaps on night 1.

[707]

A pick trade between Sydney and the Western Bulldogs flashed up on screen for about 5 seconds after Collingwood bid on Cleary. It involved a pick swap of picks in the late 40s and some other picks.

I've run the replay on slomo, there is definitely no pick trade on the screen. What does come up is the standard bid matching graphics in red and green boxes that shows to match we gain Cleary and pick 63 but lose picks 43 & 47, and that's what happened.

For all the talk pre draft about our pick 45 & 55 rising up the order by "lots", what happened was what I predicted, 45 got to 43, 55 got to 47. All those bid matches just burnt off junk picks after pick 45 but created a heap of new picks in the first round.

Got to feel for Wooden Spooner WC, in an uncompromised draft they get picks 1, 19, 37 etc, this draft they got pick 1 and now pick 30. Hardly the way to start your rebuild