2025 List Management

[UUaswan]

I think they will offer Sheldrick a contract extension, but whether other clubs come after him that offer more opportunities could be the issue.
Talking to people within the club I think they are resigned to the fact they may be able to only take 2 of the academy players given the chances to bidding rules. A lot will depend on how they perform in the U19 championships currently being played. The club will have a pre determined valuation where they either pass or match. They did let one slide last year when Collingwood made a bid on an academy player, possibly because they had their eye on Riley Bice

Worth going into deficit in future years for the right players.

I suppose it's a matter of what is in the academy pipeline, but based on our 1st Rd Pick drafting, we need to go all in on our Academy.

Datolli also needs a list spot for next year, at least 1 of those Academy kids should be in Rd 1, could be a crunch

[KSAS]

According to Zero Hanger, Sheldrick is on West Coast's radar. It doesn’t take much imagination to come up with that theory, as some here had already raised.

I also hope Sheldrick signs as an extension to remain in Red and White. Rather bemused the article boasting that our midfield bats deep. Really?

https://www.zerohanger.com/off-contract-sydney-midfielder-reportedly-on-the-radar-of-interstate-club-163657/

[Thunder Shaker]

I think they will offer Sheldrick a contract extension, but whether other clubs come after him that offer more opportunities could be the issue.
Talking to people within the club I think they are resigned to the fact they may be able to only take 2 of the academy players given the chances to bidding rules. A lot will depend on how they perform in the U19 championships currently being played. The club will have a pre determined valuation where they either pass or match. They did let one slide last year when Collingwood made a bid on an academy player, possibly because they had their eye on Riley Bice

To recruit three Academy players, Sydney would need three vacant list spots. Making those vacancies by trading players out for draft picks may be necessary.

I expect Sheldrick will be offered an extension, but may choose to seek a trade.

West Coast would be an interesting choice. They are likely to finish last this year. Their 2025 draft picks are: round 1, round 1 (Hawthorn), round 2, round 2 (Hawthorn), round 3 (Hawthorn). Currently, these picks are 1, 14, 19, 32, 50. Brisbane holds West Coast's round 3 pick, one of four 2025 3rd-round picks that Brisbane has.

Possible trades for Sheldrick: 32 and 50 (476 points) or pick 19 (796 points). Pick 19 is the first pick on the second night of the draft so attracts a trade premium above its points value. Therefore, West Coast would be reluctant to trade pick 19. Pick 14 (1024 points) would be more likely to be traded by West Coast, but may require value going back, possibly a future second-round pick.

[imuninformedtwo]

To recruit three Academy players, Sydney would need three vacant list spots. Making those vacancies by trading players out for draft picks may be necessary.

I expect Sheldrick will be offered an extension, but may choose to seek a trade.

West Coast would be an interesting choice. They are likely to finish last this year. Their 2025 draft picks are: round 1, round 1 (Hawthorn), round 2, round 2 (Hawthorn), round 3 (Hawthorn). Currently, these picks are 1, 14, 19, 32, 50. Brisbane holds West Coast's round 3 pick, one of four 2025 3rd-round picks that Brisbane has.

Possible trades for Sheldrick: 32 and 50 (476 points) or pick 19 (796 points). Pick 19 is the first pick on the second night of the draft so attracts a trade premium above its points value. Therefore, West Coast would be reluctant to trade pick 19. Pick 14 (1024 points) would be more likely to be traded by West Coast, but may require value going back, possibly a future second-round pick.

Yes, but you also need to factor in what those picks become. I’ve seen some analysis of the number of players tied to academies/father sons likely to be taken in the first round to mean that pick 19 would become about pick 30.

[crackedactor 01]

I see JUH is back to the Bulldogs training.Does this mean he is no longer on our list of possible gets for 2026?

[BRS328]

To recruit three Academy players, Sydney would need three vacant list spots. Making those vacancies by trading players out for draft picks may be necessary.

I expect Sheldrick will be offered an extension, but may choose to seek a trade.

West Coast would be an interesting choice. They are likely to finish last this year. Their 2025 draft picks are: round 1, round 1 (Hawthorn), round 2, round 2 (Hawthorn), round 3 (Hawthorn). Currently, these picks are 1, 14, 19, 32, 50. Brisbane holds West Coast's round 3 pick, one of four 2025 3rd-round picks that Brisbane has.

Possible trades for Sheldrick: 32 and 50 (476 points) or pick 19 (796 points). Pick 19 is the first pick on the second night of the draft so attracts a trade premium above its points value. Therefore, West Coast would be reluctant to trade pick 19. Pick 14 (1024 points) would be more likely to be traded by West Coast, but may require value going back, possibly a future second-round pick.

I can think of 3 straight off, Paton, Hamling, Ladhams, Leidler, Kirk, Buller, Lloyd, Fox, Mitchell, plus others are all in the last year of their contracts. List spots will not be an issue. I am not saying all will be delisted but some will.

[liz]

I can think of 3 straight off, Paton, Hamling, Ladhams, Leidler, Kirk, Buller, Lloyd, Fox, Mitchell, plus others are all in the last year of their contracts. List spots will not be an issue. I am not saying all will be delisted but some will.

I agree with you that list spots won’t be a constraining factor that prevents us taking three academy players. We are obliged, regardless, to turn at least three of the senior list over.

That said, Kirk, Buller, Leidler and Paton are all on the rookie list, so delisting them won’t clear a senior list spot. (And personally I think Leidler has shown enough flashes of something in a dreadful team to earn another year on the rookie list.)

I also doubt we’ll delist Ladhams, not unless we recruit a seasoned ruck from somewhere else. Grundy and Green would be a horribly thin ruck division.

I can see Fox riding off into the full time land of PE teaching at the end of the year. Rampe and Lloyd will be interesting calls by the list management team. Both will think they can play on. Both will want to play on. Rampe has already declared he wants to play on. But the club might have other ideas. Rampe might be saved by the absences of Andrew and Edwards, and the fact that Snell has (understandably) not shone in that awful VFL side.

It’s also possible that players like McLean or Florent will see themselves dangled as trade bait. I’m not arguing thry should be (or shouldn’t be). But both have found themselves to be on the fringes this year, and the upcoming trade period is the first chance Cox will have to influence the shape of the list as Big Kahuna.

[BRS328]

I agree with you that list spots won’t be a constraining factor that prevents us taking three academy players. We are obliged, regardless, to turn at least three of the senior list over.

That said, Kirk, Buller, Leidler and Paton are all on the rookie list, so delisting them won’t clear a senior list spot. (And personally I think Leidler has shown enough flashes of something in a dreadful team to earn another year on the rookie list.)

I also doubt we’ll delist Ladhams, not unless we recruit a seasoned ruck from somewhere else. Grundy and Green would be a horribly thin ruck division.

I can see Fox riding off into the full time land of PE teaching at the end of the year. Rampe and Lloyd will be interesting calls by the list management team. Both will think they can play on. Both will want to play on. Rampe has already declared he wants to play on. But the club might have other ideas. Rampe might be saved by the absences of Andrew and Edwards, and the fact that Snell has (understandably) not shone in that awful VFL side.

It’s also possible that players like McLean or Florent will see themselves dangled as trade bait. I’m not arguing thry should be (or shouldn’t be). But both have found themselves to be on the fringes this year, and the upcoming trade period is the first chance Cox will have to influence the shape of the list as Big Kahuna.

I do agree with everything you are saying, but there is really little difference between the rookie list and primary list as all are available for senior selection. A good example is Tom Papley was initially drafted on the rookie list and if my memory serves me correctly, he has never played a game in the VFL. Makes you wonder why we even have rookie list instead of a primary list of 44 players

[liz]

I do agree with everything you are saying, but there is really little difference between the rookie list and primary list as all are available for senior selection. A good example is Tom Papley was initially drafted on the rookie list and if my memory serves me correctly, he has never played a game in the VFL. Makes you wonder why we even have rookie list instead of a primary list of 44 players

It does make a difference at draft time. You don't get to add to your rookie list until the xxxx end of the draft. I guess you can clear a senior list spot by 'demoting' someone to the rookie list. But you have to be careful about delisting players you want to keep (or might want to keep, or might want to get something back for if they leave) because they immediately become delisted free agents. (See James Jordon, for example.)

[Roadrunner]

Ramps deserves another year as his form has been ok and we don’t seem to have an obvious replacement at this stage. Lloyd should retire, no doubt. Has been a great servant but his form this year has been poor. Fox’s spot will depend on how he goes from here on. McLean and Ladhams to a lesser extent, are needed as we don’t have many talls. Adams is too injury prone and adds very little so should be let go. Hamling is only VFL level, unlike Francis who can be called upon as needed for our seniors.

I’m confident Ollie will regain his form and he is needed for depth- should not be traded unless we do a massive acquisition of a star player. Which I think we need but may be very difficult to obtain at a fair price.

[BRS328]

It does make a difference at draft time. You don't get to add to your rookie list until the xxxx end of the draft. I guess you can clear a senior list spot by 'demoting' someone to the rookie list. But you have to be careful about delisting players you want to keep (or might want to keep, or might want to get something back for if they leave) because they immediately become delisted free agents. (See James Jordon, for example.)

Very good point Liz

[imuninformedtwo]

This is exceptionally vague and potentially meaningless, but just pegging it in case - an article suggesting rival club interest in Florent.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/20/rival-interest-growing-in-victorian-swan

[UUaswan]

Would play Ollie over Bice

Lloyd is on the Outer, Ollie needs to get back in

[Dow]

Would play Ollie over Bice

Lloyd is on the Outer, Ollie needs to get back in

Ollie needs to earn it, I think we are better side without him right now

[lwjoyner]

Dow, you have to be joking. Ollie whilst quet for a couple of games is a must for the seniors. Better than bice, lloyd and cleary (who joined him today) and J Mac whose kicking is chocking. Lucky to kick over a peanut.