2025 List Management

[Nico]

If we go after Ugle-Hagan it will cost us a lot in draft picks. Do we foresake our 3 academy boys who are waiting in the wings? If we do then what's the point of having an academy.

[Thunder Shaker]

If we go after Ugle-Hagan it will cost us a lot in draft picks. Do we foresake our 3 academy boys who are waiting in the wings? If we do then what's the point of having an academy.

It depends on the timing.

JUH has a contract until the end of the 2026 season. Trading for him this year with a contract in place would indeed cost some draft picks (but these could be future picks). However, a trade for JUH in next year's trade period could have lower requirements to be completed.

There's also the matter of salary cap space. If the Dogs are looking to get some cap relief (I have no idea if this is the case), that may also influence any trades for JUH, who is a contracted player.

[BRS328]

If we go after Ugle-Hagan it will cost us a lot in draft picks. Do we foresake our 3 academy boys who are waiting in the wings? If we do then what's the point of having an academy.

Not necessarily. The Bulldogs have openly indicated he is not welcome at the club. Take Jesse Hogan, arguably the best forward in the competition. Freo wanted to get rid of him and accepted a third round draft pick.
I should also add, based on the form in the Allies team against South Australia last weekend none of them would be anywhere near a first round picks. We need to look closely at the U19 championships over the next month to get a better gauge of where they are at. The “market will determine the price”, and the club demonstrated in last year’s draft that they were prepared to let academy players go as happened with Collingwood last draft

[The Big Cat]

James Hird suggesting it would be worth giving Joe Daniher a call.

[Thunder Shaker]

Gettable mentioned briefly that Sheldrick is out of contract at the end of the year and could be a possible trade target (time 22:56). This episode also mentioned Ladhams as a possible trade in the ruck "merry go-round" among about a dozen rucks.

[Sandridge]

I remember back in 1992 with the original mid season draft concept, we drafted Darryn Cresswell. Our & possibly the AFL's greatest midseason draft pickup!

KSAS, Cresswell was an absolute champion for us. I've been a Blood since 1961 and Cresswell is right up there with the best, evidenced by his inclusion in our Team of the Century. A star who could be relied on to produce when the pressure was really on

[Blood Fever]

KSAS, Cresswell was an absolute champion for us. I've been a Blood since 1961 and Cresswell is right up there with the best, evidenced by his inclusion in our Team of the Century. A star who could be relied on to produce when the pressure was really on

Could use him now. No frills, effective and hard as nails.

[KSAS]

KSAS, Cresswell was an absolute champion for us. I've been a Blood since 1961 and Cresswell is right up there with the best, evidenced by his inclusion in our Team of the Century. A star who could be relied on to produce when the pressure was really on

Took my late Father to Sydney in 96 to spend Father's Day watching our beloved Swans take on Hawthorn in the QF. Cressa takes a contested mark in the dying seconds, to goal and win us the game. The joy we shared when the siren went soon after remains my most beloved Swans moment, thanks to Cressa!

Edit: It was the club's first final win since 1945!

[Thunder Shaker]

KSAS, Cresswell was an absolute champion for us. I've been a Blood since 1961 and Cresswell is right up there with the best, evidenced by his inclusion in our Team of the Century. A star who could be relied on to produce when the pressure was really on

Cresswell was drafted with pick 39 in the 1991 midseason draft. That draft had 49 picks! Can anyone imagine a mid-season draft having that many picks now?

Cresswell played 244 games, which was the most games played by any player from that draft. Other players to play 100 games or more from that draft: Matthew Febey (Melbourne, pick 17, 143 games), Anthony Macdonald (Hawthorn, pick 41, 104 games).

[Velour&Ruffles]

Took my late Father to Sydney in 96 to spend Father's Day watching our beloved Swans take on Hawthorn in the QF. Cressa takes a contested mark in the dying seconds, to goal and win us the game. The joy we shared when the siren went soon after remains my most beloved Swans moment, thanks to Cressa!

Edit: It was the club's first final win since 1945!

I was watching on TV but remember that mark so well. Cressa took the mark over the top of Nick Holland who was a 6’5” key position player. A glorious moment in Swans history. Didn’t quite have the same long term reverberations as the Nick Davis goal in 2005 but it is true to say that without Cressa we don’t make the ‘96 GF.

[Dooloo]

Took my late Father to Sydney in 96 to spend Father's Day watching our beloved Swans take on Hawthorn in the QF. Cressa takes a contested mark in the dying seconds, to goal and win us the game. The joy we shared when the siren went soon after remains my most beloved Swans moment, thanks to Cressa!

Edit: It was the club's first final win since 1945!

And he repeated the feat a week later in the Preliminary Final against Essendon at a crucial time in the last quarter.

[KSAS]

Just to add further fuel to Liz's soft cap change & Geelong/Chris Scott rant in the Coaching/Support Staff thread, Chris Scott himself was the guest on the Agenda Setters last night.

It was revealed Geelong has an apparent war chest to now target Harley Reid and/or Zac Butters! Chris Scott did not deny this and that either would be good additions. He was asked whether Geelong are the best in the competition in managing their Salary Cap, to which Chris Scott indirectly acknowledged.

Theyi listed all their bargain buys and rookies which have developed into very good players. It is similar to the make up of our famed 2005 premiership team. That"s well and good.

But most of these players are now on or should be on bigger pay packets. They only lost Tom Hawkins of significance from last season and whooed in high profiled Baily Smith. They can't surely have this much cap space to now target Reid/Butters without 3rd party deals happening under the radar.

I know the AFL where recently investigating payment discrepencies (which I posted earlier in this thread), to which the club denied is a smoking gun to anything bigger. Haven't heard any further update on this.

I also sensed from last night's interview that Chris Scott is starting to feel burnt out after 15 season's at the helm (similar to Longmire) and his rein at Geelong may not be far away ending (has another year on his contract remaining, same as Longmire when he pulled the pin).

[Roadrunner]

Just to add further fuel to Liz's soft cap change & Geelong/Chris Scott rant in the Coaching/Support Staff thread, Chris Scott himself was the guest on the Agenda Setters last night.

It was revealed Geelong has an apparent war chest to now target Harley Reid and/or Zac Butters! Chris Scott did not deny this and that either would be good additions. He was asked whether Geelong are the best in the competition in managing their Salary Cap, to which Chris Scott indirectly acknowledged.

Theyi listed all their bargain buys and rookies which have developed into very good players. It is similar to the make up of our famed 2005 premiership team. That"s well and good.

But most of these players are now on or should be on bigger pay packets. They only lost Tom Hawkins of significance from last season and whooed in high profiled Baily Smith. They can't surely have this much cap space to now target Reid/Butters without 3rd party deals happening under the radar.

I know the AFL where recently investigating payment discrepencies (which I posted earlier in this thread), to which the club denied is a smoking gun to anything bigger. Haven't heard any further update on this.

I also sensed from last night's interview that Chris Scott is starting to feel burnt out after 15 season's at the helm (similar to Longmire) and his rein at Geelong may not be far away ending (has another year on his contract remaining, same as Longmire when he pulled the pin).

The optics certainly don’t look good, but I suspect Geelong is not the only club not strictly playing by the rules. Who actually investigates and ckecks the clubs for compliance? The AFL? Surely it has to be an external body, highly experienced in forensic accounting and totally independent of the AFL. It’s not difficult to spot lower than expected salary packages on a club’s books. We will never have a level playing field until a club found in breach is severely punished. The sad truth is, I suspect, that some clubs have been rorting the system for ages.

[The Big Cat]

The optics certainly don’t look good, but I suspect Geelong is not the only club not strictly playing by the rules. Who actually investigates and ckecks the clubs for compliance? The AFL? Surely it has to be an external body, highly experienced in forensic accounting and totally independent of the AFL. It’s not difficult to spot lower than expected salary packages on a club’s books. We will never have a level playing field until a club found in breach is severely punished. The sad truth is, I suspect, that some clubs have been rorting the system for ages.

Even if they are 'doing nothing wrong' shouldn't they be given a trading ban like the Swans were for 'doing nothing wrong' but for it 'not looking good'?

I think every non Geelong supporter not only doesn't' think it looks good but thinks it stinks to high heaven!

[BRS328]

The optics certainly don’t look good, but I suspect Geelong is not the only club not strictly playing by the rules. Who actually investigates and ckecks the clubs for compliance? The AFL? Surely it has to be an external body, highly experienced in forensic accounting and totally independent of the AFL. It’s not difficult to spot lower than expected salary packages on a club’s books. We will never have a level playing field until a club found in breach is severely punished. The sad truth is, I suspect, that some clubs have been rorting the system for ages.

Perhaps this is one benefit that may come from the addition of Swann and Harley to AFL Headquarters. Hopefully, for the good of the game this becomes a priority in how to level the playing field.
The AFL were quick to act in the Buddy Franklin free agency move to the Swans when all the Swans had done was play by the rules

Your point is well made that strict enforcement and punishment is the only way to prevent it from happening.