2025 List Management

[Dow]

SEN reporting we've lodged our offer - 2025 and 2026 R1 picks, plus Hayward and Florent, and Curnow and a later pick (assuming for use on Academy selections) coming back.

So there it is.

Is it lodged with the AFL or just an offer to Carlton ?

[rb4x]

Reported by Tom Morris as an offer. I hope Carlton reject it as I think it stinks. Pushing out Ollie and Wil who are both under long contracts and in my opinion overs.

[stellation]

SEN reporting we've lodged our offer - 2025 and 2026 R1 picks, plus Hayward and Florent, and Curnow and a later pick (assuming for use on Academy selections) coming back.

So there it is.

Charlie is a very talented footballer, it was always going to take a significant package to get him. I think that's a reasonable/realistic offer, it seems like we just went straight to trying to get the deal done without a lot of haggling- the Carlton fan fantasies of one of our top flight young midfielders being included were never realistic.

Even though I'd find it disappointing to say goodbye to Will and/or Oli I think this is a fair trade.

[stevoswan]

Loyalty is a two way street. As a fan I was upset when Hewett was let go, ditto Cameron would have taken on Dunkley who did not want leave Melbourne (is Brisbane a Melbourne suburb?) and don't get me started on the club being asleep at the wheel with Dawson. Throw in Nankervis, Stevens and Dempster. How would the club like it if their fans also decide to explore their options?

The club would likely say 'off you go then' if a fans loyalty was that weak.

[UUaswan]

Pies done a swap for late Picks with Brissy which sounds like we basically end up with Serong for Buller after receiving the pick

[stevoswan]

Cats draft Lawson Humphries and Mannagh in the same year we draft Green.

Green yet to play, the other 2 superstars

Whoa, let's not get carried away. Those two are getting games.

I get your point though....yes, the Swans should be more prepared to give promising youth a go.

[imuninformedtwo]

Charlie is a very talented footballer, it was always going to take a significant package to get him. I think that's a reasonable/realistic offer, it seems like we just went straight to trying to get the deal done without a lot of haggling- the Carlton fan fantasies of one of our top flight young midfielders being included were never realistic.

Even though I'd find it disappointing to say goodbye to Will and/or Oli I think this is a fair trade.

Tend to agree. I think there'll still be some haggling over the pick coming back and will miss Wilbur in particular, but you gotta do what you gotta do if you want top flight talent.

Unfortunately, Ollie has never quite nailed it. He's had moments where he was important to our transition play and in the first half of last year his dancing feet were very good down back, but he just couldn't sustain it. I have no malice to him and always appreciate what he did to come to us given the circumstances of his draft year. He also seems the loveliest guy alive. But footy's a ruthless business, and it's time for a change.

[Auntie.Gerald]

i suspect there would be a swap of picks in amongst two serious AFL players and two first round picks

so we obviously DO NOT love what is at our first pick this year nor next (if we back ourselves to be a top4 type team and the slide of the pick

Geelong obviously dont rate the next two minimum nor even the 2027 vs what they gain with Curnow upfront


yes we obviously dont have much cap hence two players offered that dont have the versatility and game winning that Charlie could add to our best team in a finals series

for me that is what it comes down to ........ does Curnow give us more come finals time in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 than Ollie and or Haywar

I think YES

Can we replace over the next few seasons what Hayward and Ollie provide now?

I think very much YES as we been building in those role and we are ready to replace in 2026 especially if we have more scoreboard pressure and move options to enter into our forwards with possession maintained !!!

Joel
Macca
Curnow
Heeney
Paps
etc

that is a mid and HBF delight as targets !!!!

Such a hard match up for defenders

Sam Wicks os on the up and up off HBF replacing Ollies traditional role.

Roberts is a very good decision maker and can play HBF

Cunningham is still cherry ripe for HBF and lloyd or wing like Ollie moved to more so in 2025

Haywards role......well if Curnow comes into our front six then I am more than happy with our forward rotation.........Heeney just goes back to higher percentage leads up front and lesser percentage mids

that is all class right there

[Thunder Shaker]

SEN reporting we've lodged our offer - 2025 and 2026 R1 picks, plus Hayward and Florent, and Curnow and a later pick (assuming for use on Academy selections) coming back.

So there it is.

The "later pick" is pick 22, Carlton's end-of-first round compensation pick for losing Jack Silvagni.

This addresses one of my concerns with the trade, where Sydney would be trading out a first-round pick and gimping our ability to recruit Academy players. Sliding down 11 spots in the draft costs 519 points, much less than the 1205 points that would be lost if no pick was coming back in the trade.

The trade still proposes that Sydney loses two players. Florent seems to be surplus to our needs right now. Hayward is a bigger loss IMO. I hope Rosas will be an adequate replacement.

It helps to have some perspective. Look at the players other teams are losing. Carlton has lost TDK and Silvagni to St Kilda. Essendon and North Melbourne are trying to hold on to club captains. West Coast lost Allen to free agency. Trade time is full of list changes, and it often happens that players are given up when players are recruited.

There is still the Buller and Serong trades to go. Buller also seems to be surplus to our needs if we end up getting Curnow. He is within his rights to seek a trade elsewhere for more opportunities. Serong wants to come to Sydney for the same reason. This may end up being little more than a straight player swap, with picks we get for Buller being on-traded for Serong.

We may also end up with a later points-bearing pick for the Buller trade but I'm not optimistic. More likely, pick 22 will be on-traded for later picks. Pick 22 is about the same level as King is rated, so there's a chance we may simply use it to draft King.

[Auntie.Gerald]

AFL site repports

SYDNEY has officially made an offer to Carlton for Charlie Curnow.



The Swans have put forward two players – Will Hayward and Ollie Florent – and two picks - pick No.11 this year and Sydney's first pick in 2026.



The deal would involve the Swans getting Curnow and pick 22 in return.



Deal or no deal?

pick 22 in return this year

[lwjoyner]

for me no deal. rocas wont replace wil not a marking fwd. would not let JB go to pies unless its for 39 and use it for academy. serong still pick 63 9no pints involved. he was recruited at 52 or lhereabouts. so like for like.

[dejavoodoo44]

Tend to agree. I think there'll still be some haggling over the pick coming back and will miss Wilbur in particular, but you gotta do what you gotta do if you want top flight talent.

Unfortunately, Ollie has never quite nailed it. He's had moments where he was important to our transition play and in the first half of last year his dancing feet were very good down back, but he just couldn't sustain it. I have no malice to him and always appreciate what he did to come to us given the circumstances of his draft year. He also seems the loveliest guy alive. But footy's a ruthless business, and it's time for a change.

With this year's pick 22 coming back, it's a deal that I can live with. Curnow is a player who could easily kick bags of goals in important games and win us a final or two. While both Will and Ollie have played plenty of good games, I'm not sure either have put in too many match winning performances in finals? Though of course, I do hope that the club has done plenty of due diligence on Curnow's fitness, as it's a deal that could easily sour, if his recent injury concerns develop into something chronic.

I also think the deal reflects the club's opinion on what's coming through. In regards to Florent, he's spent a lot of time as a running half back. I've little doubt that that role could be done almost immediately by Carmichael: who I rate as the best of our academy prospects. He could probably do it with a bit more defensive grunt. With Hayward, perhaps King is seen as someone who could replace him as a forward flanker? Or maybe management have a higher opinion of Bowman, than many of us on here have? While our desire to chase Curnow, could indicate that we might be a touch concerned about McDonald and his prospects of fully overcoming the major foot surgery that he had?

So all up, I think that the deal has it's good points, but it's not risk free.

[lwjoyner]

it will be interesting to see where curnow fits within the swans pay heirachy and what that may do to others. i know we probably wont find out but it is nonetheeless interesting.

[imuninformedtwo]

With this year's pick 22 coming back, it's a deal that I can live with. Curnow is a player who could easily kick bags of goals in important games and win us a final or two. While both Will and Ollie have played plenty of good games, I'm not sure either have put in too many match winning performances in finals? Though of course, I do hope that the club has done plenty of due diligence on Curnow's fitness, as it's a deal that could easily sour, if his recent injury concerns develop into something chronic.

I also think the deal reflects the club's opinion on what's coming through. In regards to Florent, he's spent a lot of time as a running half back. I've little doubt that that role could be done almost immediately by Carmichael: who I rate as the best of our academy prospects. He could probably do it with a bit more defensive grunt. With Hayward, perhaps King is seen as someone who could replace him as a forward flanker? Or maybe management have a higher opinion of Bowman, than many of us on here have? While our desire to chase Curnow, could indicate that we might be a touch concerned about McDonald and his prospects of fully overcoming the major foot surgery that he had?

So all up, I think that the deal has it's good points, but it's not risk free.

All very good. I think the concern is probably less about McDonald, but what else sits behind him. Amartey showed his importance to us this year in how we looked between us when he was playing or not, but he's very injury prone and had one season free of it. McLean is serviceable, but that's his limit, and Buller is gone. We've got rucks after that.

[Auntie.Gerald]

gives us currency if Curnow arrives and Macca wants to go back to the eagles in 27 or 28 ?

Eagles will pay a lot is their trade a few years back with Geelong is any indication as they rebuild.........still

Geelong got No.14, the future first (No.18 in 2020), 24 and 37.

not bad for amid vs a Key Position player