Tippett!!

[Kelpie_X]

The 80s and 90s was a different era of AFL. In the 80s, 40 tackles a game was considered elite. Now under 80s tackles a game, is not hitting team KPIs. Longmire and the Swans always aim for more than 80 tackles a game.

The Full forwards in today's AFL are expected to contribute to the team forward pressure effort. As a supporter, nothing fills me with more joy than seeing Franklin lay multiple tackles on the Half Back Line.

The 80s and 90s also contained one on one forward lines, making life easier for the full forwards. Tippett, who is a better goal kicking version than Paul Salmon, would have had multiple 100 goal seasons in the 80s, in a good team. Buddy would have kicked over 150 goals a year in the 80s.

Exactly my point. See what I quoted and read my reply again and you may understand where you are contradicting yourself. Your saying capper would have been bad in todays games and I'm saying based on that hypothesis, so would Plugger and Dunstall.

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Capper was a great player albeit with a 40 metre range at goal where he was accurate and smart. He could also take an overhead mark. He was also dependable. Yes, he was a prince but by God he was there when he was needed and the Swans were better for it. Tippett has not done anything yet to justify his Adelaide reputation. He is not in Warwick Capper's league.

Not a truer word spoken

[Matt80]

Fair chance both Tippett & Franklin would've been ruckman in the 80s based on height alone.

As for 150+ in a season, tell Matt80 he's dreaming. Buddy & Tippett have both been much maligned throughout their careers for inaccurate kicking. Lockett was I textbook kicker of the ball & he's the only one that's gone close. Buddy & Tippett might have had the number of scoring shots but not the accuracy.

Just my opinion

Buddy would have had at least one 150 goal season in the 80s, and many 100 goal seasons. In one on one contests he would have gathered his own crumbs and run into an open goal at least 80 times a season. That's not to mention his speed of the mark and uncontested marking within his 60 metre range. No fullback in the 80s would have matched Buddy's speed, agility and work below his knees. Langford would have gone closest to matching him.

Fullbacks in today's game fail to match Buddy unless they have other team members to flood and help out. There was not much help for full-backs in the 80s.

This is just my opinion.

I think Tippett is ready for a great season. I like him as the 2nd ruckman as it get him into the game. His ability to take pack marks 20 metres out from goal is incredible.

[0918330512]

Buddy would have had at least one 150 goal season in the 80s, and many 100 goal seasons. In one on one contests he would have gathered his own crumbs and run into an open goal at least 80 times a season. That's not to mention his speed of the mark and uncontested marking within his 60 metre range. No fullback in the 80s would have matched Buddy's speed, agility and work below his knees. Langford would have gone closest to matching him.

Fullbacks in today's game fail to match Buddy unless they have other team members to flood and help out. There was not much help for full-backs in the 80s.

This is just my opinion.

You write with such self-riotous, self-assured, dismissive authority about a hypothetical situation that cannot be proven.
Here's another hypothetical. In the 80s football was less professional. They didn't train as hard. They partied very hard. Buddy likes to party. They didn't eat as well in the 80s. During his time at the Hawks in the 2000s, Buddy was known to come back after a preseason a little overweight (despite today's professionalism). I hypothesise there is every chance that in the 80s with the less-professional game, greater off-field laxity (pre-, post- & in-season) Buddy less resembles his supreme athletic self & more Brian "the Whale" Roberts. With such a physique he's speed had diminished, the only crumbs he gathered were from the left over batter at KFC & at nearly 200cm most clubs still would have used him primarily as a ruckman at that's where nearly all 200cm players were used (Salmon being an exception at Essendon ... & even he left for greater rucking opportunities at Hawthorn). Fewer opportunities to kick goals as a ruckman. Plus 150 goals at AFL/VFL level is a somewhat magical number that was achieved by two very special players. Plus you blissfully ignore Buddy's history of periods of inaccuracy. He would need 1.5x the number of scoring shots that Pratt or Hudson had.
Now for the qualifier to make it all right, "this is just my (hypothetical) opinion".
And I will now concede that Buddy would have indeed probably kicked 250 plus goals a season in the 1980s, give you the win, if it stops this hypothetical inter-era-comparison & gets the thread back to Tippett.

I think Tippett is ready for a great season. I like him as the 2nd ruckman as it get him into the game. His ability to take pack marks 20 metres out from goal is incredible.

Oh & that overrated guy Capper? He could take the occasional pack mark 20 meters out from goal (well within range for his "distinctive" kicking style) too.

However I aggree (or at least hope) Tippo is ready for a a productive & injury free season

[JPK12]

I actually agree on the fitness issue with Buddy. He has the sort of physique that needs constant attending too or else he will chunk up. Look at his dad who I am sure when he was younger would have been rock solid but unfit looking. If Buddy played in the 1980s he would be playing in the ruck and he would have had a David Cloke type of physique, big but with areas of flab. Look at plugger..perfect example..later in his failed comeback he came back skinnier and leaner than the old plugger as 2002 was when professionalism and extra emphasis on diets become common place. Its scary to think with pluggers accuracy and if he got himself very fit what he would be like in the modern game BUT then again he would a completely different player.

[AnnieH]

The 80s and 90s was a different era of AFL. In the 80s, 40 tackles a game was considered elite. Now under 80s tackles a game, is not hitting team KPIs. Longmire and the Swans always aim for more than 80 tackles a game.

The Full forwards in today's AFL are expected to contribute to the team forward pressure effort. As a supporter, nothing fills me with more joy than seeing Franklin lay multiple tackles on the Half Back Line.

The 80s and 90s also contained one on one forward lines, making life easier for the full forwards. Tippett, who is a better goal kicking version than Paul Salmon, would have had multiple 100 goal seasons in the 80s, in a good team. Buddy would have kicked over 150 goals a year in the 80s.

The 80s was 30 years ago.
The game has changed a lot since then.
You should move on.

[Primmy]

The 80s was 30 years ago.
The game has changed a lot since then.
You should move on.

[Nico]

The 80s and 90s was a different era of AFL. In the 80s, 40 tackles a game was considered elite. Now under 80s tackles a game, is not hitting team KPIs. Longmire and the Swans always aim for more than 80 tackles a game.

The Full forwards in today's AFL are expected to contribute to the team forward pressure effort. As a supporter, nothing fills me with more joy than seeing Franklin lay multiple tackles on the Half Back Line.

The 80s and 90s also contained one on one forward lines, making life easier for the full forwards. Tippett, who is a better goal kicking version than Paul Salmon, would have had multiple 100 goal seasons in the 80s, in a good team. Buddy would have kicked over 150 goals a year in the 80s.

Alan Jeans had a basic philosophy. Have 70+ tackles and you win the game, so 40 tackles was nowhere near elite.

His coaching had one basic idea; we have the ball, they have the ball and the ball is in dispute. The more you have the ball the more chance you have of winning. So strong tackling to get the ball from the opposition was paramount.

[goswannies]

The 80s and 90s also contained one on one forward lines, making life easier for the full forwards. Tippett, who is a better goal kicking version than Paul Salmon,

When Salmon played as a genuine full forward (ie his first stint at Essendon) he kicked 509 goals from 209 games, at an average of 2.44 goals a game. Tippett's career average is 1.98 goals a game (257 goals from 130 games).
Salmon kicked 561 goals 303 behinds for a conversion rate / accuracy of 64.9%.
Tippett 257 goals 172 points, accuracy 59.9%.
I think the numbers would suggest Salmon was a better goal kicking version of Tippett.

Tippet would have had multiple 100 goal seasons in the 80s, in a good team.

Essendon were a good team in the 1980s. Salmon did not have a single 100 goal season (his best was 65 in 1993) even when a specialist forward (let alone when primarily a ruckman, later in his career).
Again, I'm not sure the numbers suggest that Tippet would be much better than low-60 goals per season in the 80s/90s. I think you have your Crows supporter goggles on when rating Tippett

[Matt80]

Kurt is creating some good PR for the Swans in the social pages.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/hot-swan-and-his-ironwoman/story-fnilxh2p-1227180660664

It's funny how the journalist refers to the "Bondi Billionaires" like it's an official organisation.

[Bloods05]

Kurt is creating some good PR for the Swans in the social pages.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/hot-swan-and-his-ironwoman/story-fnilxh2p-1227180660664

It's funny how the journalist refers to the "Bondi Billionaires" like it's an official organisation.

Trivial nonsense, as with everything in the Hun. Don't give it the time of day.

[AnnieH]

goswannies
Empty your inbox!!!

[goswannies]

goswannies
Empty your inbox!!!

Sorry AnnieH plenty of room now

Everyone's a winner ... you can send mail, I can receive it & Tippett's thread grows

[AnnieH]

Far be it from me to stop this thread in its tracks.

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[JPK12]

AFL fans are morons judging from the comments on that article and on other sites.

And lets not forget to mention the 45+ year old hawk fans who go online and abuse the @@@@ of buddy every single time he uploads a pic on instagram. I managed to track down one of the guys abusing him and this guy is a 47 year old with 3 teenage kids..he just abuses buddy every single time he posts something..i am talking personal @@@@.

I tried to get my friend who works for facebook in sanfran to allow me to hack into this guys FB account and modify some things but alas no friggen way..haha. But i do know where he lives, his phone number, his work place, the sites he visits (porn and bigfooty) and other things.