Tippett!!

[Nico]

I wonder how much Lewis Johnson will benefit from Tippett's departure?

Probably not much as he is not much good.

[Nico]

Jamieson from the Crows when asked on the ABC today how they would replace Tippett. The answer; with Crouch. Said he will play every game next year. Is a midfielder but said he is a gun. Didn't sound too concerned that Tippett was gone. Was more concerned on the way he told his team mates he was gorn.

[Nico]

Baffles me why people on here don't rate Grundy or his disposal.

At times he kicks straight to the opposition when other options are obvious. But as I said in my post he makes no less mistakes than others in the backline. Maybe he gives the impression he gets a bit shaky at times.

[Primmy]

Had an email from Crows fanatic, who is glad to see the last of him. Didn't rate him much at all.

Isn't this fun!!

PS: I think Crows management will be somewhat wary after we off loaded Johnson onto them.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Rutten and Grundy in a back six is almost impossible

they are two of the slowest big men in the comp.........they turn like a Manly Ferry

I would prefer to give them two pic's though and keep Reg

[The Big Cat]

Jamieson from the Crows when asked on the ABC today how they would replace Tippett. The answer; with Crouch. Said he will play every game next year. Is a midfielder but said he is a gun.

I'm not sure we'll be willing to trade him since he's done such a good job coaching our ressies. He would also seem a bit old for the Crows needs, but then he does hail from SA.

[Gary]

Tippett

Looks a million dollars but is he worth 800k a year or anything like it. Doesn't strike me as a consistent goer or performer. Looked good against Hawthorn but ordinary against us. Not convinced that we can make the difference?

[swanspant12]

These adelaide muppets thing tippett is the best forward to ever grace the game.

Yes, when on song, he is a star. However he is inconsistent.

No doubt if he came to us, he would ease the burden off Reid and with Goodes at 32, we should pounce on the chance.

Pick 22 + White should do the job, if not, then adelaide are kidding themselves. We have the upper hand in this. PSD...

[Big Al]

These adelaide muppets thing tippett is the best forward to ever grace the game.

Yes, when on song, he is a star. However he is inconsistent.

No doubt if he came to us, he would ease the burden off Reid and with Goodes at 32, we should pounce on the chance.

Pick 22 + White should do the job, if not, then adelaide are kidding themselves. We have the upper hand in this. PSD...

Tippett was clearly not happy in Adelaide so that would affect his consistency. He's a guy that I think would thrive away from the goldfish bowl atmosphere of Adelaide. If theres's one thing the Swans know how to do is and that is make their players happy and settled so they can produce their best footy.

He's a gun in my view and I'm confident the Swans will make a trade that is in the best interests of the club.

[swanspant12]

Tippett was clearly not happy in Adelaide so that would affect his consistency. He's a guy that I think would thrive away from the goldfish bowl atmosphere of Adelaide. If theres's one thing the Swans know how to do is and that is make their players happy and settled so they can produce their best footy.

He's a gun in my view and I'm confident the Swans will make a trade that is in the best interests of the club.

Yep. Our department aren't stupid, they know what he's worth and what we can offer to get it done.

In no way/shape/form will they want to impede on our strong culture with the signing of one player. Goodes, Bolton, LRT (29), Pyke (29) are all coming to the pointy end. We need a long term replacement i.e Tippett.

All our guns are going to stay and I doubt horse has even crossed the thought of trading a Parker, Rohan, Jetta for Tippett. Would not have even thought of it.

[ScottH]

Re: Tippett?

I'm not advocating we get rid of Reg. But if we had too get rid of a top 22 player, I think he would be a good choice. There are no others I would like to see go.
If we can get Tippet without losing a player, all well and good.

[Ludwig]

It is worth noting that if we experienced what Adelaide has experienced over the past 3 years regarding defecting players half of RWO would have to be straight-jacketed. They have now lost Phil Davis, Bock, Gunston and Tippett. It would be like us losing Ted, AJ, Reid and Parker. Adelaide's recruiting over the past several years has been remarkable in that they have performed so well despite losing so many top line players, and even without Tippett, they still have a lot of depth in their team. Remember that Lewis Johnston and Tom Lynch, another good forward, could hardly get a game.Chris Knights is expendable.

This means that Adelaide don't have much need for second tier players. They've got plenty.

The only top tier player we can afford to lose, and I think it would be a significant loss, is Reg, as has been noted by many on here. And it seems like the only reasonable top tier player that could be involved in the trade for Tippett. Coming 7th in the B&F shows how highly the coaches rate him. Tippett finished 15th in Adelaide's B&F, just for comparison. I would rate Grundy as defender roughly equal to what Tippett is as a forward. Probably just outside the short list for AA selection. Tippett is more valuable only because good tall forwards are just so hard to come by. They are the rarest of commodities, which is why they can attract such demand and money. We only need to look at the Cloke drama. The effectiveness of team defence these days makes it difficult for even the best forwards to operate well without a sidekick. If you've got two strong marking tall forwards, then you can have a very damaging forward line. That's why adding Tippett when we already have Sammy Reid is much greater than adding a Tippett without Reid. The two together would be like Buddy and Roughy (at his best). Tippett is a really big coup for us.

As much as we would like to keep all of our players, we must be mindful that it is difficult to give more that 30 players a reasonable amount of game time in a given season. We don't want to find ourselves in a position where we lose good young players for lack of opportunity, i.e., being on the wrong side of Kennedy and McGlynn situation. It is not all that bad a thing to lose a top tier player if he can be covered, as it might mean retaining and up and coming player down the line.

The mistake that Adelaide made was not trading Tippett last year. They misread the situation and thought they could retain him. They could have received top value for him last year. Now they are not in such a good situation. Commercially fair this year means that Adelaide simply cannot expect to receive fair value for Tippett unless the Swans want to be generous just to be perceived a fair and just trading partner, a reputation that we do have at this point. So I don't think we should or will fully exploit this situation.

Regarding playing opportunities, if we look at our midfield, small forward situation, we will have problems playing more than 2 of McGlynn, Morton, TDL and Lamb next year. I think TDL and Lamb are the ones that will struggle to get a game. We shouldn't find ourselves in the situation that Adelaide does this year, and we should try to trade both. It's not that I don't think Lamb will be a good player, but feel that even if Jude retires it will mean that Parker goes to full game time and Mitchell, Cunningham and Armstrong will be fighting it out for the green vest. After 3 years, Lamb will be frustrated by not getting game time. Better to get a few decent draft choices, which pushes things out a few years and allows the more likely youngsters more playing opportunities.

All this said, I think the best thing from OUR perspective is to get all the parties involved to take Grundy in a trade. I think if we played hardball we could do a straight swap, but we will more than likely give a bit more value. Grundy + our second rounder is fair, all things considered. Our first round pick, which is also possible, I think would be generous. Grundy is quality player. If Grundy is not part of the deal, our first round pick plus players or picks will probably be the call, but I think we are better off with Grundy as part of the deal. We still would have a quality backline for a few more years and give reasonable expectations to young players like Lockyer, Brown and Lynch. Richards and LRT can well go on another 3 years, meaning someone like Lockyer might have to wait until his 5th year to get a starting spot. Not a good situation. We will certainly be drafting a few new KPPs in the next couple of drafts who will be thrown into that mix as well. And let's not forget that we still have Everett, Spangher and Walsh on our list as well. Certainly Spangher and Everett are reasonable cover for injuries, although I am not sure that Spangher will make the cut. It may hinge on what players go in the this trade.

It's a very tricky list management issue and we need to be level headed about it. You simply cannot have a 38 to 40 man roster of top tier players and keep everyone satisfied. Our top 30 are very strong and all rightfully will have expectations of being in the starting 21. Some players just have to be moved on for the betterment of their careers as well as for the betterment of the club.

[BillyRayCypress]

Would have thought it'd take more than a week after the joy of a flag before some on RWO desecended into the same old negative garbage.

Good to see though that most trust the club to AGAIN make the right decision for the betterment of the club.

Spot on mcs. 2 flags in 7 years and we still have people carrying on as though they are following a club like Richmond.
Get a bloody grip people. We are the BEST club in the land with the SMARTEST footy people in the land.

I agree. Big Al is the voice of reason on here.

If anyone hasn't noticed, the Swans won the premiership without the advice of anyone on here and they will do the necessary trades to get the desired result as well.

We offered a fortune at the time for an untried sausage eater from Bunyip. Who is laughing now?

The KT bleeters will join the Longmire bleeters next year when we win another premiership. However, like Marvin from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I'm sure there will be something else to complain about.

[Red]

I wonder how Reg is feeling atm?

He and Ted have toiled away in the post Leo/B2 years to become our pillars in defence. He's an integral part of our stunning success this season, and it would be a very poor reward to send him back to Adelaide for a player that may or may not work out for us.

A decision to trade Reg seems to fly in the face of a culture that espouses commitment and trust.

[Big Al]

I wonder how Reg is feeling atm?

He and Ted have toiled away in the post Leo/B2 years to become our pillars in defence. He's an integral part of our stunning success this season, and it would be a very poor reward to send him back to Adelaide for a player that may or may not work out for us.

A decision to trade Reg seems to fly in the face of a culture that espouses commitment and trust.

Even if the trade makes the club stronger??

It must be said that Reg as a trade option was brought up as an option here and NOT by the club so before everyone fills their boots let's all just settle down, enjoy the fact we won the flag (remember that) and wait to see what decision the club makes. As has been stated by many, the swans seem to know what they're doing.