Tippett!!

[annew]

I agree with Primmy and Liz. Today's name that is being floated is Malceski, how many names are left?

[Matty10]

Many people might argue that we effectively gave Collingwood the flag by trading them Jolly (the missing piece to their premiership puzzle). Adelaide might well be thinking the same thing in relation to Tippett and another flag for the Swans.

If all we were to offer Adelaide is a second round pick and a fringe player that they don't really need / want - that is effectively the same as giving them nothing - and in the process makes one of their premiership contenders a lot stronger - it is understandable that they may hesitate at making the deal. It has been done before.

They might consider letting Tippett go into the PSD as the better deal for their football club - and in the short term they may be right.

[Melbournehammer]

I think Liz is fundamentally right. We thought tippett was the missing piece of the puzzle and were probably pretty ready to offer the world to get him - then we suddenly and unexpectedly solved the puzzle. Now we are looking at this with a view to completing the trade with our first pick being the last in the first round, a number of aging players who simply aren't tradeable except as makeweights and Adelaide dont want a makeweight, a number of highly credentialled youngsters which are the future of the club and who are absolutely critical because we can look at our list and work out that as much as a third of the premiership team wont be around in 3 seasons, and a number of others who aren't really wanted - partly because the NEAFL is so out of sight and people assume that if a player is not getting a run they are simply not good enough.

I have no doubt on the list of untradeables are all of those who could get the trade done. And I dont really know what else can be done because i really wouldnt want to see any of the youngsters go.

I really would like to see the thing come off but there is a part of me that is sticking my fingers in my ears yelling la la la la la, while peeking through a blindfold at these sites to see the (non) developments.

[Woodie]

That's such a dumb statement - what my mother would have called cutting off your nose to spite your face!
We obviously want him, he obviously wants us, so this first grade tool Noble is saying that an agreement might not be reached, yer right.......
Let him go through to the PSD then, the way the Crows have been slagging off at him and his attitude, you can't imagine any other teams being interested so with a little bit of luck he'll walk to us for free. Would serve the AFC right.

Doesn't the AFC realize that they are the ones that stand to be the biggest losers out of all this?

And they said that they have already won because he's leaving, well take our offer & it's a double win you tools.

[The Big Cat]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsartic...9/default.aspx

AS I've said in an earlier post this is all preparing the ground (for supporters) for a less than optimal deal with Tippett. They are saying he is not worth trying to hold onto. And they are countering Graham Cornes' demand that they let him slip through to the PSD and then redraft him to prove the point they won't be messed with.

[DamY]

Noble's reaction is quite shocking, almost immature and unprofessional.

On a side note, this thread has 10 or 20,000 more views than the corresponding thread on BigFooty!

[Nico]

"ADELAIDE has confirmed it would have no hesitation in losing Kurt Tippett for nothing if a deal can't be secured with the Sydney Swans or another club."

They seem to think they have the upper hand. Tell 'em they're dreaming.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsartic...9/default.aspx

Clubs say this every year. They are not going to forego a first round pick. If they let him go to the draft then bitterness will have overtaken commonsense.

[Nico]

Just seems very spiteful - we'd rather let him go for nothing and see him taken somewhere he doesn't want to be than help him get to his club of choice. No wonder he wants to get away from that "culture".

On the topic of rookie listing - the website could be out of date. Cambo was definitely promoted just before finals. Cunningham was up then down then up again. Pretty sure he's still senior listed.

Pretty sure blokes who had long term injuries such as Rohan go back on the list when the season is over, so the opening that allows a rookie to be senior listed temporarily is closed.

[Nico]

Many people might argue that we effectively gave Collingwood the flag by trading them Jolly (the missing piece to their premiership puzzle). Adelaide might well be thinking the same thing in relation to Tippett and another flag for the Swans.

If all we were to offer Adelaide is a second round pick and a fringe player that they don't really need / want - that is effectively the same as giving them nothing - and in the process makes one of their premiership contenders a lot stronger - it is understandable that they may hesitate at making the deal. It has been done before.

They might consider letting Tippett go into the PSD as the better deal for their football club - and in the short term they may be right.

It would fair of Adelkaide to think that we are a genuine threat to them winning a flag in the near future. If it was say the Bulldogs then the deal probably would have been done by now.

[Nico]

Noble's reaction is quite shocking, almost immature and unprofessional.

On a side note, this thread has 10 or 20,000 more views than the corresponding thread on BigFooty!

I happened to work with David for quite some time some years ago when he was playing in the AFL. He is a really nice and smart bloke who really knows his stuff. People don't change who they are, and I suspect he is more frustrated than anything else and toeing the party line. Immature and unprofessional he is not.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Clubs say this every year. They are not going to forego a first round pick. If they let him go to the draft then bitterness will have overtaken commonsense.

Actually I can think of one AFL club which has forgone substandard compensation and let players go into the draft on a few occasions . . . . no guesses? . . . . I'll give you a clue . . . their colours are red and white.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

a number of highly credentialled youngsters . . . . who aren't really wanted - partly because the NEAFL is so out of sight and people assume that if a player is not getting a run they are simply not good enough.

Sorry to abbreviate your post MH, but you make a good point. I suspect that if Meredith, for example, was playing in the VFL he would be attracting interest. Somehow it has escaped the Melbourne teams in particular that we won the flag, and that our fringe players may well be better than many of theirs.

[DamY]

I happened to work with David for quite some time some years ago when he was playing in the AFL. He is a really nice and smart bloke who really knows his stuff. People don't change who they are, and I suspect he is more frustrated than anything else and toeing the party line. Immature and unprofessional he is not.

Fair enough, but from reading the statement, the response "Well we're better off by not having someone here that doesn't want to be here" comes across as slightly petulant. In a professional environment, should someone leave at the end of their contract, I wouldn't be saying things like that about an ex-colleague. People move on for different reasons, and yes, even if they privately held that view that they're better off without him, it doesn't make them look very big.

[Jewels]

I think people need to start looking at this from the other point of view. Imagine if this were Reid out of contract and wanting a trade to, say, Collingwood. Would we be happy with the Pies offering a pick in the 20s plus Rounds, or Sinclair, or the like? No, we'd be up in arms. There are some on here that still think we were dudded by getting "just" pick 14 and a lower pick in return for Jolly.

I have no idea how this is going to play out. The club has shown itself in the past to be not just fair traders, but also pragmatic ones. They will know that pick 22 plus a reserves player is not "fair" for a player they are offering a sizeable contract to. I find it a little odd that they have offered a contract to Tippett without having identified a player of reasonable value that they are prepared to lose in the process.

I can't imagine any officials from our club disrespecting Sammy if he wished to leave in the same manner that the AFC have with Tippett.
Fans I can understand, club officials I can not.

[Bennymno4]

Fair enough, but from reading the statement, the response "Well we're better off by not having someone here that doesn't want to be here" comes across as slightly petulant. In a professional environment, should someone leave at the end of their contract, I wouldn't be saying things like that about an ex-colleague. People move on for different reasons, and yes, even if they privately held that view that they're better off without him, it doesn't make them look very big.

If Noble did in fact make the comments attributed to him, he will be very dissapointed with himself on reflection. There are many ways to express dissapointment with a player and his actions. These are an example of what not to say.

Damy is correct, childish and petulant is a nice way to describe the comments.