Changes for Round 10 V Geelong

[jono2707]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see any youngsters that we delisted/let go that have come back to bite us big time. Whilst it's good to see guys like Campbell Heath, Lewis Johnston, Simpkin, Curry, Rowe, Nipper Gordon and others get further opportunities to further their careers, none of the youngsters that we've recently delisted have yet gone on to be world beaters.

Unfortunately not all talented youngsters are going to get sufficient opportunities at a club like ours whilst we're successful. That's a great sign really.

I'd be more concerned if we were letting the wrong kids go, but we seem to have gotten it right recently.

The club will more likely have to have some very awkward conversations with some of our older stars at the end of this year.....

[Mr Magoo]

I think Lloyd works so far because he has great targets to kick too in Franklin, Tip, Goodes, Reid etc............ie at Melbourne FC ....Lloyd right now... at only 19yrs of age? and slightly smaller may struggle to help their cause

ie tom mitchell would win more ball against big bodied opposition midfielders which at snr level is generally more important ......so you could argue that Tom Mitchell would be mucg more successful at most other clubs right now then Lloyd ---- ignoring injuries etc !

BUT at the moment at the Swans ..........an inclusion of an outside player that is a calm above average decision maker who hits targets is more important for us the last few weeks

Lets see how Tommy goes the next few games

My comments were made without even consideration of Mitchell. I dont think he would even be on the clubs radar as anything but a required player and potential leader. We would be crazy to even consider trading him and from what I remember he was on a very good wicket for an untried player.

Mitchell would in my mind sit squarely in our future plans - I would give up a fair few before I even considered him.

[southsideswan]

It is funny that as of this very moment (not projecting into future, say one month or one year). We have a great team playing well. Of all the players in the squad only one injury. We have a few players trying to obtain top match fitness but nothing major. There are probably 10 players not in current 22 that walk into side and do a job. It does not get any better then now.

On the positive side of those that may have be moved on they will have had such a great opportunity training and playing in the Swans "system". This will make them a asset to another club and help put money in their pocket for the long term.

On the Mitchell v Lloyd debate (ok wrong thread but I'm on a roll) my guess is the Mitchell will be the star but see Lloyd playing more games by end of career. I hope they both never leave and have long careers with the Swans.

[dimelb]

We need both Lloyd and T Mitchell. And either would be very welcome at any club, but especially one that has an aging midfield. Both would fit like a hand in a glove at Hawthorn.

[Matt80]

We need both Lloyd and T Mitchell. And either would be very welcome at any club, but especially one that has an aging midfield. Both would fit like a hand in a glove at Hawthorn.

Just spoke to an RAMS player who said Isaac Heeney is a "freak" (exceptional talent) and would easily go top 10. That would be great for the Swans as their first pick will be 15 and over.

If Heeney is exceptional why do we need Tom Mitchell standing in his way? Kennedy, Parker are the star inside extractors. Mitchell may be surplus to requirements. We also have Lloyd doing a good job and he costs less than Mitchell.

I would like Membrey to stay to play the Goodes role after this year. Towers and Mitchell may be able to improve our position in the draft. We have great rookies and a good 2013 draft intake. A good 2014 intake led by Heeney will set us up into the later years of Buddy's contract.

[CJK]

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[DeadlyAkkuret]

Why are you so eager to shop Mitchell around, especially ahead of the likes of Membrey.

Baffling that people are actually running with this.

[Mr Magoo]

Tom Mitchell standing in his way - surely you jest.

I was sure someone got a 64 possession , 4 goal effort at NEAFL level last week - thats freakish. He was also a likely top 10 draft pick. Why would you start moving someone out who has in their second year proven so far that the freakish junior talent has actually translated into AFL level talent . In addition you would be getting that person initially for minimal cost. Surely its not an issue as to Heeney v Mitchell. On paper you could have both.

[CJK]

Mitchell?
Lloyd?

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[Matt80]

Mitchell?
Lloyd?

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I've proposed having both for Geelong at the expense of Liadler. We have McVeigh or Sam Reid who can help in the Backline as needs arise.

It's going to be a gun NEAFL midfield next year if no body gets injured and no body gets traded.

Assuming Lloyd and Mitchell will both get in the seniors (one as Sub, this is the NEAFL midfield:

- Zak Jones pick 15
- Issac Heeney first round
- George Hewitt pick 32
- Brandon Jack
- Lloyd Perris

There is some serious talent with two first rounders in the middle. How is this talent going to break through with Mcveigh being the oldest midfielder?

[liz]

How did talent like Josh Willoughby, Patrick Veszpremi, Daniel O'Keefe and Jed Lamb break through? Being a highly touted junior means diddly squat in itself. Agreed that there looks to be some talent there, but it's all more or less unproven at this stage.

[Matt80]

How did talent like Josh Willoughby, Patrick Veszpremi, Daniel O'Keefe and Jed Lamb break through? Being a highly touted junior means diddly squat in itself. Agreed that there looks to be some talent there, but it's all more or less unproven at this stage.

It's amazing how it works out. In 2010 we took Lamb, Parker and Johnson. Parker and Johnson were regular senior footballers at the end of 2011. Lamb the first round selection made his debut in 2013.

Why does it change so much in 12 months. Do many first rounders lack the desire to succeed compared to 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders?

[Mel_C]

I hope Longmire & co are watching the Geelong v north game. Geelong's ball movement has been fantastic in the first quarter.

[Matt80]

Why are you so eager to shop Mitchell around, especially ahead of the likes of Membrey.

Baffling that people are actually running with this.

Membrey is the only medium forward that we have on the list. Next year you will probably have the retirements of Goodes and LRT and the delisting of Tom Walsh.

That will leave Membrey as the next genuine forward in line behind Franklin, Reid and Tippett. If one gets injured or Reid ends up playing back, then Membrey will become important as you only have Ruckman (Tony N or Pyke) after Membrey.

Mitchell plays in a position which has incredible depth. The only midfielder to no be there next years is ROK who has already been replaced.

I proposed to trade Mitchell because of the depth and his desire to play regular first team football. If he is not getting regular first team football like all his mates at GWS then he may wish to move on. We have the depth to effectively replace his position and improve our draft position.

Collingwood have moved players on in recent years such as Wellingham and Dawes in exchange for first round picks and now have a club with some great veterans and some great young talent working through.

The tough calls need to be made sometimes.

[Auntie.Gerald]

In my opinion Perris will not make it at the SWANS........he will end up at the Demons or Giants

I know alot of people said that about Sam Mitchell or Campbell Brown but I just think like Josh Kennedy - Perris has talent but too many in front of him at the Bloods