List changes and trade bait

[Matt80]

If the stuff on st kilda website is true - that members will go to pre season draft because we will only have one live pick - which is 39 then no logical reason why we'd bother with pick 45 upgrade.

If we got to pick 45 with the Bulldogs, then we could do another 3rd round upgrade for Membrey. We would go from 45 to 41. They are small deals, but they all help.

The Swans could use 39 and 41 as live picks. Or they could give them both up for one live pick in the late 20s.

[Nico]

Money I guess. The thought of having a team built around you (totally ridiculous, given his age and what he's done) may also have its appeal.

GWS's Anthony Rocca! How gung ho was Boyd when interviewed when he was going to be No.1 in the draft. Now he has the sniffles in Sydney and wants to go home a year early. Spare me.

[Nico]

By the way I don't think it will be same old same old in the side next year. When there was a bit of biffo and hard play several of our so called good players ran for the hills. They folded like licorice sheets. Some of our big mane players were cowering in the corner. Yes I am accusing some players of cowardice. We need to get some tough nuts in. Derrickx needs to come back, Zac Jones needs in Shaw is finished as he can't stand the pressure. Mitchell needs to play as does Biggs. Don't ask me who goes out as I don't want to out the players I think cringed when it got tough.

The other thing is we have to get a different game plan that will win a GF against sides like Hawks. If Horse doesn't take us to a premiership next year then? We have a plan that we use on sides like Hawks but we don't use it on Hawks. Funny that, I am led to believe our coaches have been psyched into believing it won't work. Clarkson has done the same to Cats.

By the way Stewie Dew is the worst stoppages coach ever. We used to win the stoppages now we lose them.

We were getting flogged out of the centre before Dew came on the scene. Also stoppages coach does not necessarily mean he is the centre clearance coach. Our blokes just don't make a beeline for the footy at centre clearances. Every other club knows it is our Achilles heel.

[liz]

If we got to pick 45 with the Bulldogs, then we could do another 3rd round upgrade for Membrey. We would go from 45 to 41. They are small deals, but they all help.

The Swans could use 39 and 41 as live picks. Or they could give them both up for one live pick in the late 20s.

And where on the list are we going to put them? The observation that the Swans might only have one live pick was a reference to how many unfilled spots we are likely to have on our list on draft day. We can't just decide to use another player because we feel like it.

Unless we delist a player to make space. Maybe Craig Bird. It will be more exciting to have pick 45 (or any other pick you dream up) on our list than a player destined to waste a spot in the NEAFL team all year.

[liz]

GWS's Anthony Rocca! How gung ho was Boyd when interviewed when he was going to be No.1 in the draft. Now he has the sniffles in Sydney and wants to go home a year early. Spare me.

To be fair, I suspect it is opportunistic, given the Griffen drama. He's probably not been at the Giants long enough to really feel he belongs there. He also understands that the Giants are unlikely to trade him any time soon, as a former no 1 'marquee' player. But this is a gilt edged opportunity for him to get back home, an opportunity that may not arise again.

I find myself sniggering at the Giants outrage at the prospect of trading him. Sure, the Bulldogs will have quickly got in his ear once they knew about the Griffen situation. It is a clear opportunity for them to make the most of the situation. But given the Giants are trying to lure the contracted Griffen, now they know he is disgruntled, you can't blame the Dogs for trying to shake some desirable fruit from the GSW tree by similarly luring a contracted player.

[Matt80]

And where on the list are we going to put them? The observation that the Swans might only have one live pick was a reference to how many unfilled spots we are likely to have on our list on draft day. We can't just decide to use another player because we feel like it.

Unless we delist a player to make space. Maybe Craig Bird. It will be more exciting to have pick 45 (or any other pick you dream up) on our list than a player destined to waste a spot in the NEAFL team all year.

There have been seven senior vacancies. There has three draft players added and one rookie upgrade.

That leaves three spots. One will go towards upgrading Lloyd. That leaves you two spots.

You can either get two more players in the draft with what I predict will be pick 39 and 41. Or you can upgrade Sam Naismith. If you upgrade Naismith you only get one more live pick.

You don't need to worry about upgrading Biggs as he is gone. Most people think you can have more than one 3rd year rookie spot. If that is the case, then you can have both Naismith and Robinson as 3rd year rookies.

I would be using picks 39 and 41 in the draft as they are both reasonable picks.

This is just my analysis.

[liz]

There have been seven senior vacancies. There has three draft players added and one rookie upgrade.

That leaves three spots. One will go towards upgrading Lloyd. That leaves you two spots.

You can either get two more players in the draft with what I predict will be pick 39 and 41. Or you can upgrade Sam Naismith. If you upgrade Naismith you only get one more live pick.

You don't need to worry about upgrading Biggs as he is gone. Most people think you can have more than one 3rd year rookie spot. If that is the case, then you can have both Naismith and Robinson as 3rd year rookies.

I would be using picks 39 and 41 in the draft as they are both reasonable picks.

This is just my analysis.

It is a plausible outcome. But the starting point was the suggestion in the article about Membrey that the Swans would go into the draft with just one live pick, and hence anything they got for Membrey would be irrelevant. If that starting point accurately reflects the Swans' plans for their list (implying an upgrade for another rookie), then pick 41 is irrelevant. Especially as we don't even have it.

[The Big Cat]

We are all assuming that the Swans will continue to have the minimum 38 on their primary list. They may opt for a couple more and upgrade Biggs and still take more than one in the draft. (I think that would mean less rookies than we can normally take)

[Ampersand]

People are forgetting about the PSD and delisted free agents. Didn't we pick up Laidler and Derickx as delisted recruits last year to bolster our list?

Are there any similar prospects out there the Swans might be looking at? Clinton Jones, Leroy Jetta and Tom Logan are all clubless but I don't think they're the type of players we'd be after (except maybe Jetta).

[Matt80]

People are forgetting about the PSD and delisted free agents. Didn't we pick up Laidler and Derickx as delisted recruits last year to bolster our list?

Are there any similar prospects out there the Swans might be looking at? Clinton Jones, Leroy Jetta and Tom Logan are all clubless but I don't think they're the type of players we'd be after (except maybe Jetta).

The only delisted free agent that could be valuable to the Swans in Matthew Warnock. Not an A grade player, but a Sphanger like depth player who would provide proven back up for Richards and Grundy.

This is just my opinion.

[Flying South]

You can either get two more players in the draft with what I predict will be pick 39 and 41. Or you can upgrade Sam Naismith. If you upgrade Naismith you only get one more live pick

I think it is essential we upgrade Naismith to the senior list. There is a limit to what he is going to learn in the NEAFL. IMO he should be to be playing a 1/2 dozen selected games in 2015. Not against the heavyweights in Mumford, Maric, Jacobs etc. But against players like Witts, Nicholls, Bellchambers, etc. We don't have that flexibility if he is rookie listed. I feel we should utilise the sub role next year to give our emerging reserves players more senior exposure and development. Players like Naismith, Nankervis, Heeney, Hewett, etc. Settle on a best 21 and rotate the sub role.

[ugg]

We are all assuming that the Swans will continue to have the minimum 38 on their primary list. They may opt for a couple more and upgrade Biggs and still take more than one in the draft. (I think that would mean less rookies than we can normally take)

That has salary cap issues though.

[aardvark]

That has salary cap issues though.

That shouldn't be a problem. Don't we have a million more than everyone else?

[Plugger1300]

Why on earth would any player want to go to the dogs? Amongst a heap of imploding clubs, the dogs are certainly the most shambolic!
I also think Saints are closer to a flag then they are and I can't see that happening for ten odd years!

Bulldogs much closer to a flag than saints. If they get the right coach i have them playing finals next year
Liberatore
Bontempelli
Dalhaus
Hrovat
Hunter
Macrae
Roughhead
Smith
Stringer
Wallis

Says it all really. Leadership the only thing that will hold them back

Saints are quite laughable a million miles off competitive football

[mcs]

We were getting flogged out of the centre before Dew came on the scene. Also stoppages coach does not necessarily mean he is the centre clearance coach. Our blokes just don't make a beeline for the footy at centre clearances. Every other club knows it is our Achilles heel.

For so long we've been able to make do in other ways and neutralise it as an issue. I don't know enough about footy tactics etc to know how we go about fixing that problem - would be interested in what people that have greater expereince in the game think is the way to solve that clear issue which really as you say is our achilles heel.

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I think it is essential we upgrade Naismith to the senior list. There is a limit to what he is going to learn in the NEAFL. IMO he should be to be playing a 1/2 dozen selected games in 2015. Not against the heavyweights in Mumford, Maric, Jacobs etc. But against players like Witts, Nicholls, Bellchambers, etc. We don't have that flexibility if he is rookie listed. I feel we should utilise the sub role next year to give our emerging reserves players more senior exposure and development. Players like Naismith, Nankervis, Heeney, Hewett, etc. Settle on a best 21 and rotate the sub role.

I tend to agree with this view. But if Dericx is back fit, and can have a good summer which will help him to contribute more around the ground, then Naismith might still be 3rd in line at that end anyway.