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  • Mug Punter
    On the Rookie List
    • Nov 2009
    • 3325

    Originally posted by 6'2, 220, 4.53
    I think this years trade period will be about earning points and clearing some space on our list.

    It may come down to this:

    - Jetta to West Coast for pick 17-20.

    - Craig Bird to a club like Melbourne for their 3rd round pick. Roos will probably push for an injury depleted Perris to sweeten the deal.

    - With an extra late 1st round and an early 3rd round we should be able to raise the points for Mills and Dunkley without going into deficit for the next season.

    I believe our ruck stocks are good for one more season if Naismith and Toby N can take another step along with the revitalised Tippett.

    I would keep Marsh going on the list as he has shown some positive signs and is a good athlete.
    If we got those draft picks I think we'd have no problems from a points perspective. Can't help but think we'll be looking for a player for Jetta rather than picks

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    • AnnieH
      RWOs Black Sheep
      • Aug 2006
      • 11332

      Originally posted by paper_rival
      I'm sorry but can someone explain this 'go home factor' the media spews out about just about everyone who hasn't resigned with their current club by now. Is it a real thing? Is it just material for speculation?
      It started a long, long time ago with Anthony Rocca missing his mummy.
      Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
      Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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      • snajik
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2003
        • 1115

        Originally posted by AnnieH
        It started a long, long time ago with Anthony Rocca missing his mummy.
        Silvio Foschini missing his tagliatelle
        It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
        The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          I agree with all your points. Added a few comments to your post.

          Originally posted by 6'2, 220, 4.53
          I think this years trade period will be about earning points and clearing some space on our list.

          It may come down to this:

          - Jetta to West Coast for pick 17-20.
          I think Jetta is worth something closer to a pick 10. Depending on how the final table pans out, I would be looking for their 1st pick from 2016 plus their 2nd or 3rd rounder from this year. Besides the additional value having next year's pick gives a bit more flexibility.

          - Craig Bird to a club like Melbourne for their 3rd round pick. Roos will probably push for an injury depleted Perris to sweeten the deal.
          Would be fair for Bird, but I don't think Perris has much trade value, so don't think we should throw him in as an extra. He should be a good player if he can get over his injury problems, which I agree is looking to be a long shot given his history.

          - With an extra late 1st round and an early 3rd round we should be able to raise the points for Mills and Dunkley without going into deficit for the next season.

          I believe our ruck stocks are good for one more season if Naismith and Toby N can take another step along with the revitalised Tippett.

          I would keep Marsh going on the list as he has shown some positive signs and is a good athlete.

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          • AnnieH
            RWOs Black Sheep
            • Aug 2006
            • 11332

            Isn't Birdy under contract for a few more years?
            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Originally posted by AnnieH
              Isn't Birdy under contract for a few more years?
              I think he's contracted through next year. But the reality is that he will find it hard to break into the seniors because of the depth of our inside mids. Mitchell has effectively taken his spot. It will be hard enough trying to get games for Hewett, who looks the prototype modern inside midfielder. And then we will have Mills coming next year, who looks to be ready for senior footy the way Heeney was this year.

              I really like Bird, but he plays a position where we are exceptionally strong. I think Bird is way too good a player to be languishing in the NEAFL. It's best for his career to find a club where he can be an important part of the senior playing group.

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              • Number 43
                Warming the Bench
                • Dec 2008
                • 168

                Why is everyone so keen to trade Craig Bird? People talk about having no depth, but want to trade Bird. I think we need him. Especially now.

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                • goswannies
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 3051

                  Originally posted by Number 43
                  Why is everyone so keen to trade Craig Bird? People talk about having no depth, but want to trade Bird. I think we need him. Especially now.
                  I don't think people want to trade Bird to get rid of him. It's more that (1) if he wants to go for opportunities - if they are limited with us (unless he can reinvent himself in some way) it's only fair rather than making him languish in the NEAFL awaiting opportunities the arise from injuries; and 2) he might have some trade currency this year as premiership player who is starved of opportunities - next year play in the NEAFL would reduce his appeal.

                  He is probably still a favourite son amongst supporters for his work ethic, devotion to the Swans & performances.

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                  • 6'2, 220, 4.53
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 77

                    Originally posted by Number 43
                    Why is everyone so keen to trade Craig Bird? People talk about having no depth, but want to trade Bird. I think we need him. Especially now.
                    He needs to go and I'm sure he knows that. If he has one more season like this one, he may not earn another AFL contract past 2016.

                    Bird offers inside midfield value to a club who has shortages in this area. The Swans don't have shortages in this area and will only ad more strength with Mills and potentially Dunkley.

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                    • dimelb
                      pr. dim-melb; m not f
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 6889

                      Bird is a favourite of mine but I agree that his career will be limited largely to the seconds if he stays. Clubs such as Melbourne would love to have him, and I imagine Carlton would too; or he could go north where I think Brisbane or Gold Coast would welcome him with open arms.
                      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                      • bloodspirit
                        Clubman
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 4448

                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        I think he's contracted through next year. But the reality is that he will find it hard to break into the seniors because of the depth of our inside mids. Mitchell has effectively taken his spot. It will be hard enough trying to get games for Hewett, who looks the prototype modern inside midfielder. And then we will have Mills coming next year, who looks to be ready for senior footy the way Heeney was this year.

                        I really like Bird, but he plays a position where we are exceptionally strong. I think Bird is way too good a player to be languishing in the NEAFL. It's best for his career to find a club where he can be an important part of the senior playing group.
                        I agree with all of this (and goswannies, 6'2 and dimelb) and also your opinion about Jetts' trade value - has got to be worth more than WC's first round pick this year. We paid more than that for him when we drafted him originally and he has since become an All Australian and this year even shown good leadership. Maybe harsh on Jetts but I would be inclined to refuse a trade unless it was better than that. Bit like with Pebbles a few years back. Jetts isn't really in a position to walk because he won't end up where he wants to go. (Of course, that is subject to any behind the scenes deals we may have with. Sometimes I think it is possible for a club to play less hardball either out of gratitude for services rendered or on account of an understanding made with a particular player for some other reason and, if that happens, we, of course, wouldn't know about it.)
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                        • Nico
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11339

                          Originally posted by AnnieH
                          It started a long, long time ago with Anthony Rocca missing his mummy.
                          Yes he missed his mums Italian cooking. Story goes is that she went up to Sydney to give him good home, mum, cooking. Guess who lured him. Yep, Eddies boy's. Hypocrite.

                          What about Shannon Grant. The night he got drafted his mum carried on like a pork chop, not wanting him to go to Sydney. After 2 years he went home to stop mums tears. Judging by his off field antics his move had dramatic effects on his life and personality. Poor dear.
                          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                          • 6'2, 220, 4.53
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 77

                            Originally posted by Nico
                            Yes he missed his mums Italian cooking. Story goes is that she went up to Sydney to give him good home, mum, cooking. Guess who lured him. Yep, Eddies boy's. Hypocrite.

                            What about Shannon Grant. The night he got drafted his mum carried on like a pork chop, not wanting him to go to Sydney. After 2 years he went home to stop mums tears. Judging by his off field antics his move had dramatic effects on his life and personality. Poor dear.
                            Homesickness also prevented Rocca from embarking in a career in the NFL:



                            He could have been punting to and tackling the Hayne Plane.

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                            • S.S. Bleeder
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 2165

                              Originally posted by Nico
                              What about Shannon Grant. The night he got drafted his mum carried on like a pork chop, not wanting him to go to Sydney. After 2 years he went home to stop mums tears. Judging by his off field antics his move had dramatic effects on his life and personality. Poor dear.
                              I remember seeing the footage of him and his family watching the draft from his home. I don't recall if it was live or not. He was balling his eyes out.

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                              • Triple B
                                Formerly 'BBB'
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 6999

                                Originally posted by Nico
                                What about Shannon Grant. The night he got drafted his mum carried on like a pork chop, not wanting him to go to Sydney. After 2 years he went home to stop mums tears. Judging by his off field antics his move had dramatic effects on his life and personality. Poor dear.
                                Except he stayed an extra year and Mum and brother were up here with him. Cool story though....
                                Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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