2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Every club should know every single cent. You can't run a business without knowing how much money is coming!

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[Mug Punter]

Then to AFL should stop the trade period until signed off, but they havent. Is that fair.

Big deals always involves smoke and mirrors, slight of hand, deception with both groups trying to win.

Mug, the world is just not fair. That is the reality of life.

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You can't just delay the trade period and draft, we just don't know when the CBA will get finalised if things get nasty and clubs need to start planning their list for 2017.

I suspect the 2017 number of $1M is agreed and it's the future increases that are in dispute. You've got to get the CBA right so the AFL approach is the correct one, give guidance for 2017 so that clubs can make their final offers safe that is they stay within the box that they'll not be punished.

Not ideal I agree but a workable solution. Our cap issues will be because we have two players taking 25% of our salary not an AFL conspiracy

[Mug Punter]

Every club should know every single cent. You can't run a business without knowing how much money is coming!

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They will, as soon as the CBA is finalised.

This was meant to be signed back at the end of June. I am not a fan of the AFL but in this instance I don't think it is incompetence, it is simply the matter that the two sides are miles away from getting an agreement. Look at the precedents from the US Sports, and on that from the whole of game % that the AFLPA is seeking of about 27% is much lower than that of American sports where it is at about the 50% level.

Within reason I fully support the AFLPA and our players in getting their fair share from this corrupt body and if they choose to strike I'll support our players too.

[CureTheSane]

I find it kind of weird that there was no interest in Harvey.
He was playing well, in the best 22 in a mid range side, and I would have thought worth the risk for a 1 year contract. Even as a depth player.
I know the reasons why clubs won't be interested, and I get that clubs are 'looking to the future' but Johnson is a case in point where a player at the end of his run can play on and be very effective

[Primmy]

I find it kind of weird that there was no interest in Harvey.
He was playing well, in the best 22 in a mid range side, and I would have thought worth the risk for a 1 year contract. Even as a depth player.
I know the reasons why clubs won't be interested, and I get that clubs are 'looking to the future' but Johnson is a case in point where a player at the end of his run can play on and be very effective

He's 37. He's been entrenched in a single club for his whole career. So many good young lads out there waiting for a chance. I can't imagine any club saying he'd be better value than the likes of say Mills (just as a for instance).

[CureTheSane]

I don't think anyone ever would compare him to Mills.
That wasn't anything like the point of what I was getting at.

[Industrial Fan]

No veterans list killed him imo. It's a double whammy scrapping that and bringing in free agency.

[barry]

Norf got rid of harvey despite him being in good form. This suggests that there are other issues with him which probably suggests he wouldnt be much use anywhere else.

Stevie j wants to coach and by all reports would be good at it. What he did on the field was a bonus.

[KTigers]

The long and the short of it is GWS valued another year by Steve Johnson more than North valued another year from
Harvey. One guy has a job as an AFL footballer next year, the other bloke doesn't. I know they are hard to love for
Swans fans, but there is no doubt both of them are been seriously good players for a very long time.

[Maltopia]

I don't think anyone ever would compare him to Mills.
That wasn't anything like the point of what I was getting at.

Ok for us, taking Harvey would mean we are squeezing one of Hewitt/Papley/Robinson/Jones/Cunningham/Rohan/Rose/Towers out of our forward/midfield area when we want them all to get games and develop further. He would play one more year at most, so why stifle our players? Similar situation with other clubs except those at the very bottom wanting some experience/leadership (and is he a good leader?).

[Mug Punter]

Ok for us, taking Harvey would mean we are squeezing one of Hewitt/Papley/Robinson/Jones/Cunningham/Rohan/Rose/Towers out of our forward/midfield area when we want them all to get games and develop further. He would play one more year at most, so why stifle our players? Similar situation with other clubs except those at the very bottom wanting some experience/leadership (and is he a good leader?).

Us taking Harvey, even for minimum wage would have been absolutely ridiculous. Spend all that time developing our youth and then make them play a season in the twos for a 39 year old. Really?

Apparently he is odds on to play at Heidelberg with his brother in one of the Melbourne district leagues. Huge coup for them and the league, I think it is a shame that more players don't do this anymore. They are more than capable and just one or two seasons would make a huge difference at grass roots level so well done Boomer.

[goswannies]

From Trade Wrap: "Sydney Swans ruckman Toby Nankervis is expected to decide this week whether he wants a trade after not being able to cement a senior spot despite good performances in 12 matches with the club.
Richmond appears to be in the box seat as it looks for back-up to Shaun Hampson"

So he goes from a back-up in a grand final side, to a backup in side that's a sack full of spuds?

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From Trade Wrap: "Sydney Swans ruckman Toby Nankervis is expected to decide this week whether he wants a trade after not being able to cement a senior spot despite good performances in 12 matches with the club.
Richmond appears to be in the box seat as it looks for back-up to Shaun Hampson"

So he goes from a back-up in a grand final side, to a backup in side that's a sack full of spuds?

Richmond have just signed up Maric for another year, probably only as injury insurance but they do need a real ruckman so reckon Toby will give it a lot of thought. Not sure what they can offer as a trade, they have no second this year and only Vickery compo which may not be as good as they anticipate.

[Mug Punter]

From Trade Wrap: "Sydney Swans ruckman Toby Nankervis is expected to decide this week whether he wants a trade after not being able to cement a senior spot despite good performances in 12 matches with the club.
Richmond appears to be in the box seat as it looks for back-up to Shaun Hampson"

So he goes from a back-up in a grand final side, to a backup in side that's a sack full of spuds?

I expect that he will find any offer tempting but that the long term prospects here are very good here too, especially being in a team that can offer success.

Again I expect that there will be a money differential that will be too hard to knock back and I suspect that if Tom re-signs that the cupboard will be bare. If Tom says no then we may well be able to up any offer and keep him.

I'd play hard ball on this if I was the Swans, we should get at least the same pick we used to draft him and maybe even a little earlier. If not then send him to the PSD....

[Velour&Ruffles]

Stevie j wants to coach and by all reports would be good at it. What he did on the field was a bonus.

Yes I'm sure he'll be able to give invaluable insight into the importance of focus and not carrying out dickhead acts in big games which cost your team big time.