2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[Plugger46]

Zero chance that we're chasing JOM unless we're planning to give them one of our premium mids (e.g. Hanners, Parker) in return. Outside of that we don't have the trade currency, nor the salary cap space.

Mitchell?

[bungwahl]

Mitchell?

Might clear $450k of space, but would still be short of JOM salary demands. We have Buddy and Franklin on decent coin, so we're unlikely to be making a play at another expensive and in-demand player. If we did, questions would have to be asked about what happens to guys like Heeney and Mills in a couple of years when they're worth more money. We'll have players like Rampe and Rohan attracting bids from other clubs too. Then even if we manage to keep those guys, we risk losing our other talented youth like Hewett, Jones, Robinson, and younger guys like Newman, Dawson etc.

Other clubs already wonder how we've managed to fit two big fish in one salary cap. Hard to see how we'd still be hunting more in the top end price bracket.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Is it possible that the club has changed tack with the 2 players who was well over paid in their last contract, Tom Mitchell and Sam Reid.

Both, with Reid next year, maybe, will be offered a contract that falls within there normal boundaries and if not, so be it. If Tom doesn't sign, it's about money or the fact I want more than I got last time, and a lot.

I thought that Reid would find some better footy this year due to the reduction of rotations, faster play movement etc.

Buddy on one wing, with Reid on the other providing a big target and quick movement and separating defenders. Is possible that Reid is a target for other teams.

No Reid this year has hurt us. Lets hope he can play this year and show us what you can do.

[ernie koala]

Unfortunately Reid's body seems to have the same frailties as his brothers.

I think we should trade him out, if there is a suitable suitor, with a suitable draft pick....Maybe to Collingwood.

This along with Mitchell would create significant cap room, and add some early draft picks for us to trade with.

[Plugger46]

Might clear $450k of space, but would still be short of JOM salary demands. We have Buddy and Franklin on decent coin, so we're unlikely to be making a play at another expensive and in-demand player. If we did, questions would have to be asked about what happens to guys like Heeney and Mills in a couple of years when they're worth more money. We'll have players like Rampe and Rohan attracting bids from other clubs too. Then even if we manage to keep those guys, we risk losing our other talented youth like Hewett, Jones, Robinson, and younger guys like Newman, Dawson etc.

Other clubs already wonder how we've managed to fit two big fish in one salary cap. Hard to see how we'd still be hunting more in the top end price bracket.

Do we actually have any evidence of O'Meara's asking price? Clearly it's a possibility (given the contract Boyd got) but $800k for an injury-prone midfielder who has achieved very little is way overs. So I completely agree, we're no chance at $800k.

[bungwahl]

Do we actually have any evidence of O'Meara's asking price? Clearly it's a possibility (given the contract Boyd got) but $800k for an injury-prone midfielder who has achieved very little is way overs. So I completely agree, we're no chance at $800k.

The numbers being thrown about seem to start at $700k+. Just seems like it'd be an odd move to further invest in the mids when we're struggling for forward targets with Reid being injured all year.

[Industrial Fan]

Teams without huge salary cap space?

If he chooses to move then JOM would be restricted, so we'd need to trade for him.

Even still, the player saying they want to go to XYZ club seems to get the deal done. Other clubs are reluctant to get involved for fear of picking up damaged goods.

I don't think any free agency bid has been matched so far? (Despite JOM it being a free agent)

[Flying South]

Zero chance that we're chasing JOM unless we're planning to give them one of our premium mids (e.g. Hanners, Parker) in return. Outside of that we don't have the trade currency, nor the salary cap space.

When a player wants to leave a club, then that club has limited trading power. If the club doesn't want to accept whats being offered then they have the option to reject, force the player into the PSD and risk getting nothing. With Prestia and JOM reportedly wanting out, I don't think they will risk that.

[bungwahl]

When a player wants to leave a club, then that club has limited trading power. If the club doesn't want to accept whats being offered then they have the option to reject, force the player into the PSD and risk getting nothing. With Prestia and JOM reportedly wanting out, I don't think they will risk that.

It's more than just the ability to trade for the player though. The only way JOM nominates Sydney is if he has agreed in principle to contract terms. We need the ability to pay his salary, which won't happen without us shedding someone we don't want to lose.

I'd love for us to grab this type of potential superstar, but not if it means jeopardising our list. Other clubs will have more money available and better draft picks to trade.

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Even still, the player saying they want to go to XYZ club seems to get the deal done.

Other clubs will have more cash to throw at him and any big money offer from the Swans would require us to make cuts from our list to free up salary space. Can't see us breaking the bank to add another midfielder to our ranks. I love how he plays (when not injured), but we have more pressing areas to focus our recruiting.

[barry]

Is there any indication we are under serious cap pressure? Weve shipped out quite a few older stars since we brought anyone substantial in.

[Flying South]

I'd love for us to grab this type of potential superstar, but not if it means jeopardising our list. Other clubs will have more money available and better draft picks to trade.

We had the same argument with Buddy. I trust the club to make these long term decisions. I'm sure they have 1, 2, 5, 10 and 15 years plans. At the beggining of the year they probably didn't have any plans to go aftwr JOM. But the improvement of some of our younger players probably gives them the confidence to let some Established players go like Mitchell and Reid. Both are on reasonable coin. Richards and McGlynn are not likely to be there next year either. The development of Naismith and Nankervis would also give them confidence in renegotiating Tippett's contract on better terms when he is due for renewal.

Players have most of the power when it comes to trade. Other clubs are very reluctant to pick up a player if they don't want to play for them. As we have seen with Cam McCarthy, they will even sit out a season if they don't get what they want. I also doubt clubs will be offering JOM 700-800k for long term contracts with his injury history. For all we know, if he really wants to come and play for the Swans and learn his trade from the best midfield in the league then he may be willing to sign a 500K contract for 2 years with a 2 year extension trigger if he meets KPI's. Our team is only going to make him better and improve his value.

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While O?Meara is a Western Australian, there has been more speculation about him crossing to a Melbourne or Sydney-based club in 2017 if he opts to leave the Suns. The Swans say they would not have the salary cap room to accommodate O?Meara,

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Unless of course we make room.

[Doctor]

Yes. Is that with or without Mitchell?

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Zero chance that we're chasing JOM unless we're planning to give them one of our premium mids (e.g. Hanners, Parker) in return. Outside of that we don't have the trade currency, nor the salary cap space.

Unless we (ahem) get involved in a three way with Hawthorn and Gold Coast.

[Ludwig]

I could see JOM going to GWS if they can fit him in their salary cap. They certainly would have the most to offer the Suns in trade value. JOM's from WA, so there's no go home factor to a Victorian club and playing in finals for the rest of your career would be attractive as well.

We've got JPK and Sam Reid out of contract and free agents next year, so we can't be throwing around big money at anyone if we want to re-sign them.