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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9721

    Rose did seem to botch a few shots on goal (he kicked 2.5 from 5 games). I really like him- he seems to have a really high footy IQ, I think he just needs a dozen more senior games to build on his experience, calm down and get used to the pace of the game a bit.
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      Time for a recap on where our list numbers are at -

      We will continue with the 38 on main list strategy so out Mitchell, Ted, Benny, Derickx = 34, confirmed upgrades Papley, Newman = 36 so 2 ND picks 17 & 38 to be used at this stage.
      I think Hiscox will probably be delisted, just hasn't shown much to suggest he will make it. Possible other trades out, Nankervis, Towers, BJ?

      Down to a week left in trade period, McCarthy, pick 7, 34, 72 for pick 3 has got things moving, so should start to move a bit quicker once a few of the bigger trades get done.

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      • Mug Punter
        On the Rookie List
        • Nov 2009
        • 3325

        Originally posted by 707
        Time for a recap on where our list numbers are at -

        We will continue with the 38 on main list strategy so out Mitchell, Ted, Benny, Derickx = 34, confirmed upgrades Papley, Newman = 36 so 2 ND picks 17 & 38 to be used at this stage.
        I think Hiscox will probably be delisted, just hasn't shown much to suggest he will make it. Possible other trades out, Nankervis, Towers, BJ?

        Down to a week left in trade period, McCarthy, pick 7, 34, 72 for pick 3 has got things moving, so should start to move a bit quicker once a few of the bigger trades get done.
        I'd expect Towers to Brisbane to upgrade Pick 38 a little bit but not too much given Brisbane have pick 2 in the PSD. Whatever we get for Nanka, and he will have more currency, I'd expect to simply re recycled in the draft, hopefully to draft RWO favourite Tony Olango so we can the destination club of choice for Sudanese players.

        GWS getting Pick 3 was a classy trade. They didn't get too much out of it on the face of it but they did get pick 3 which could be strategic and they got a young kid with some serious issues into an environment where the has a chance of getting on with his life whilst also hitting on the head that players could use the Homesick Card as required so well done GWS.

        The next few days will be fascinating. I have a feeling that GWS will leave nothing in the tank at the end of this trade and draft period - no future picks and a standard list size (maybe even 39). It's best for them to get to baseline asap for when the hysterics start if they have success next year. The end game I believe is GWS and GCS having picks 1-4 to stop phantom bidding. I think GCS will be happy to sit on pick 4,6 and 8 and will only make a play for Pick 2 from the Lions if GWS get Pick 1 - if they do then Pick 2 and Hanley for Picks 6 and 8 should be win-win.

        St Kilda value Steele as a mid 20 pick so I can see them maybe a pick swap with GWS getting Pick 10 (1,395 points) and giving Pick 16 (1,067 points) as well as St Kilda giving up Pick 49 (287 points) valuing Steele at 615 points or Pick 30.

        I also reckon Carlton will go in big again for GWS retreads. Pick 16 plus Marchbank and Pickett should be enough to secure Pick 5 in principle.

        That leaves GWS with picks 3,5,10,36,49,54 plus Will Hoskin-Elliot and maybe Stewart as remaining trade bait.

        I think that they won't give too much away to get Pick 1 but picks 5 and 10 for pick 1 would be fair. Maybe they'll throw in Stewart to get the deal done. WHE wants to go to Collingwood and I think they'll need to find roughly 1,000 points which is late first round and you could argue that is dirt cheap but this kid is on big dollars and not getting a game. Picks 27 and 46 are worth 1,034 points so done deal.

        So, finally GWS get picks 1,3,27,36,46,49,54 and all picks will be eligible for points.

        If they take two of McGrath/McGluggage/Brodie with picks 1 and 3 then they'll have 2,043 points which should be enough to get both Perryman and Setterfield even if they both go in the range of picks 10-13. But they won't have enough points for Macreadie,Mutch or any other talented kids.

        So, they have three choices
        (a) Go for four absolute top 10 guns and focus on quality
        (b) Settle on just Pick 3 and be able to select a batch of 5 academy kids
        (c) Take the four guns plus one other and go into 2017 with a points deficit.

        Will be interesting how they play it

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        • Billericay
          Regular in the Side
          • May 2013
          • 712

          Originally posted by Mug Punter
          I'd expect Towers to Brisbane to upgrade Pick 38 a little bit but not too much given Brisbane have pick 2 in the PSD. Whatever we get for Nanka, and he will have more currency, I'd expect to simply re recycled in the draft, hopefully to draft RWO favourite Tony Olango so we can the destination club of choice for Sudanese players.

          GWS getting Pick 3 was a classy trade. They didn't get too much out of it on the face of it but they did get pick 3 which could be strategic and they got a young kid with some serious issues into an environment where the has a chance of getting on with his life whilst also hitting on the head that players could use the Homesick Card as required so well done GWS.

          The next few days will be fascinating. I have a feeling that GWS will leave nothing in the tank at the end of this trade and draft period - no future picks and a standard list size (maybe even 39). It's best for them to get to baseline asap for when the hysterics start if they have success next year. The end game I believe is GWS and GCS having picks 1-4 to stop phantom bidding. I think GCS will be happy to sit on pick 4,6 and 8 and will only make a play for Pick 2 from the Lions if GWS get Pick 1 - if they do then Pick 2 and Hanley for Picks 6 and 8 should be win-win.

          St Kilda value Steele as a mid 20 pick so I can see them maybe a pick swap with GWS getting Pick 10 (1,395 points) and giving Pick 16 (1,067 points) as well as St Kilda giving up Pick 49 (287 points) valuing Steele at 615 points or Pick 30.

          I also reckon Carlton will go in big again for GWS retreads. Pick 16 plus Marchbank and Pickett should be enough to secure Pick 5 in principle.

          That leaves GWS with picks 3,5,10,36,49,54 plus Will Hoskin-Elliot and maybe Stewart as remaining trade bait.

          I think that they won't give too much away to get Pick 1 but picks 5 and 10 for pick 1 would be fair. Maybe they'll throw in Stewart to get the deal done. WHE wants to go to Collingwood and I think they'll need to find roughly 1,000 points which is late first round and you could argue that is dirt cheap but this kid is on big dollars and not getting a game. Picks 27 and 46 are worth 1,034 points so done deal.

          So, finally GWS get picks 1,3,27,36,46,49,54 and all picks will be eligible for points.

          If they take two of McGrath/McGluggage/Brodie with picks 1 and 3 then they'll have 2,043 points which should be enough to get both Perryman and Setterfield even if they both go in the range of picks 10-13. But they won't have enough points for Macreadie,Mutch or any other talented kids.

          So, they have three choices
          (a) Go for four absolute top 10 guns and focus on quality
          (b) Settle on just Pick 3 and be able to select a batch of 5 academy kids
          (c) Take the four guns plus one other and go into 2017 with a points deficit.

          Will be interesting how they play it
          wow!

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          • Danzar
            I'm doing ok right now, thanks
            • Jun 2006
            • 2027

            Originally posted by Nico
            Rose needs to improve set shots for goal. I reckon he lost his spot with 3 set misses in one game Was it the Dogs at the SCG.
            The entire AFL has an overall problem with set shots on goal
            Captain, I am detecting large quantities of win in this sector

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            • Meg
              Go Swannies!
              Site Admin
              • Aug 2011
              • 4828

              Originally posted by ugg
              Article on Galloway - he might try his luck in the VFL

              Delisted Swans ruckman is staying positive | Deniliquin Pastoral Times
              Great to see Galloway's positive attitude. Good luck to him, hope he continues to improve in the VFL.

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              • Maltopia
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2016
                • 1556

                Originally posted by Mug Punter

                That leaves GWS with picks 3,5,10,36,49,54 plus Will Hoskin-Elliot and maybe Stewart as remaining trade bait.
                Don't they need to have seven spots from delistings, retirements and traded away players to be able to use all seven picks for points?

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                • lwjoyner
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 953

                  Maybe we can get mitch interested in the blues and get their 1st round, if they loose Gibbs they will be looking for a mid

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                  • Mug Punter
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 3325

                    Originally posted by Maltopia
                    Don't they need to have seven spots from delistings, retirements and traded away players to be able to use all seven picks for points?
                    If they want to claim points on seven picks then they'll need to have seven spots available on their list at the time of the national draft.

                    GWS have an expanded maximum list size of 44 in 2017 so they'll need no more than 37 on their list before the ND. At the moment they have 41 on their senior list so if they need to shed four players which they will do via trading before even they look at some of the list cloggers there.

                    I could well see them losing Marchbank, Steele, WHE, Stewart, Pickett with two or three delistings and a maximum of six in so they right on line to be at the AFL Standard list size two years before the concession timetable.

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                    Originally posted by lwjoyner
                    Maybe we can get mitch interested in the blues and get their 1st round, if they loose Gibbs they will be looking for a mid
                    Would they look at a swap of 17 for 5? He'd be worth it but I doubt it.

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                    • dejavoodoo44
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 8658

                      You know, with Bryce Gibbs wanting to go Adelaide, I think it would be amusing, if the Crows were to take the piss, and offer Carlton Eddie Betts in return.

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                      • bloodspirit
                        Clubman
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 4448

                        Afl.com.au reports today that "Sydney Swans utility Dean Towers appears increasingly likely to re-sign in the wake of Tom Mitchell's request for a trade to Hawthorn": Trade wrap: Giants target pick No.2 - AFL.com.au.
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                        • YvonneH
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 1141

                          Originally posted by bloodspirit
                          Afl.com.au reports today that "Sydney Swans utility Dean Towers appears increasingly likely to re-sign in the wake of Tom Mitchell's request for a trade to Hawthorn": Trade wrap: Giants target pick No.2 - AFL.com.au.
                          Would be happy with that as he has shown glimpses.

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                          • caj23
                            Senior Player
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 2462

                            Originally posted by YvonneH
                            Would be happy with that as he has shown glimpses.
                            Agreed, he's a better chance of coming good than some random late pick upgrade. Lets hope it all clicks for him in 2017 as he has all of the skills (tackling aside) to be that additional forward option we desperately need to step up

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                            • Dosser
                              Just wild about Harry
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 1833

                              Originally posted by caj23
                              Agreed, he's a better chance of coming good than some random late pick upgrade. Lets hope it all clicks for him in 2017 as he has all of the skills (tackling aside) to be that additional forward option we desperately need to step up
                              He is tall but cant mark, is fast but cant tackle. He is very much our new Drey and may do the occasional cameo but will never win a game for us. If he is really cheap then he is worth keeping as depth, but otherwise we may need his space to pick up someone who can potentially perform better.

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                              • crackedactor
                                Regular in the Side
                                • May 2012
                                • 919

                                If Towers does re-sign I hope he really works on his defensive skills. particularly tackling. They are pretty ordinary at the moment.

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