2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[grarmy]

I will go with that. He cost us two games but you would think he would learn from that. Towers has speed and height. If the coaches can sort out the issues in his head then he could be a very handy player. A keeper for me... for another season.

[mattybloods]

If he can improve his ball use I'd like to see Towers in the midfield or wing, that way he can be 3rd man up at stoppages as he has a great leap

[Cosmic Wizard]

I will go with that. He cost us two games but you would think he would learn from that. Towers has speed and height. If the coaches can sort out the issues in his head then he could be a very handy player. A keeper for me... for another season.

Haven't they already had what four years to do that???

If they haven't already it because it can't be done and he should be traded!

[ScottH]

If Towers does re-sign I hope he really works on his defensive skills. particularly tackling. They are pretty ordinary at the moment.

And his "shut down a game" skills.

[Triple B]

Rose needs to improve set shots for goal. I reckon he lost his spot with 3 set misses in one game Was it the Dogs at the SCG.

GWS at Spotless...

[barry]

Why are we keeping towers. He couldn't make our grand final 22. Therefore hes a list clogger.

[Meg]

He cost us two games....

Some would argue (I suspect including the coach) that Tom Mitchell cost us the game against Hawthorn.

[Meg]

Don't they need to have seven spots from delistings, retirements and traded away players to be able to use all seven picks for points?

If they want to claim points on seven picks then they'll need to have seven spots available on their list at the time of the national draft.

These two quotes related to GWS. Some weeks ago a writer on 'The Roar', in response to a comment from me along the same lines as above, said that in a separate communication to journalists the AFL had said this rule won't apply to academy clubs for this draft period.

I know no more than that, so no idea if it is true. But it could explain why GWS is still busily accumulating picks.

[goswannies]

Can someone please explain what GWS is doing with Patfull?

[YvonneH]

Can someone please explain what GWS is doing with Patfull?

Believe he has retired.

[liz]

Can someone please explain what GWS is doing with Patfull?

It's called salary cap manipulation. If he had just retired, the contract for next year that he agreed to would have counted in this year's cap.

If he stays on the main list (even with no intention of playing), next year's contract value goes in next year's cap. By moving him to the rookie list, the Giants will still pay his contract next year but it won't be included in either year's cap (as rookie listed players fall outside the cap). And he won't take up a position on their main list.

Sounds like a rort but so long as the AFL allows us to move Buddy to the rookie list in 2021/2 so we can similarly evade including his final contract payment(s) in any year's cap (assuming he's not able to continue playing) then I guess that's fine.

[goswannies]

It's called salary cap manipulation. If he had just retired, the contract for next year that he agreed to would have counted in this year's cap.

If he stays on the main list (even with no intention of playing), next year's contract value goes in next year's cap. By moving him to the rookie list, the Giants will still pay his contract next year but it won't be included in either year's cap (as rookie listed players fall outside the cap). And he won't take up a position on their main list.

Sounds like a rort but so long as the AFL allows us to move Buddy to the rookie list in 2021/2 so we can similarly evade including his final contract payment(s) in any year's cap (assuming he's not able to continue playing) then I guess that's fine.

That's what I figured. But we're not allowed to do that with Buddy if he wants to retire early? The AFL made that abundantly clear when we signed him

Dillon said the AFL acknowledged that the nature of the nine-year deal was an unprecedented commitment of TPP funds to a single player over such a contract length, and as a result it sought written guarantees from all members of the Sydney board as well as its senior management.

These included:

? "An explicit acknowledgement that the long-term specific financial commitment over the nine-year agreement will apply to the Swans' total player payments for each of the nine years, regardless of how many years Franklin is available to play for the club."

? "The Swans' board and senior management will be required to meet with the AFL on an annual basis specifically to review how the club is managing its salary cap obligations in regards to the Franklin contract."

? "An assurance the board has been provided with all information it required to properly assess the contract offer, including medical reviews and financial planning around the club's long-term salary-cap position."

[mcs]

Sounds like a rort but so long as the AFL allows us to move Buddy to the rookie list in 2021/2 so we can similarly evade including his final contract payment(s) in any year's cap (assuming he's not able to continue playing) then I guess that's fine.

You know as well as the rest of us Liz that is hardly likely to occur - we'll probably have to count it twice if we try that trick

[Auntie.Gerald]

Trade update: Tom Mitchell - October 12, 2016 - sydneyswans.com.au

So right now we have picks 14,17,38,56

ok....... I don't believe Tom Harley would have indicated that the Swans will be still present in the trade period if they won't be. Tom said there could be plenty of action to come

So i am going to take a guess from Toms comments:

1. we are going to try and improve our 1st rounds picks 14 and 17 as a minimum and if we end up swapping 38 out for 23 in from the Hawks we are looking fairly sharp with 14,17,23ish

2. we have obviously identified some young talent in the 1st round of the draft minimum that we like the look of........ and given Mills and Heeney both played Snr Football in their first year recruited so who knows with two more picks in the top 20 ?

3. considering how many injuries we had in 2016 i am bullish on our roster

There are 8 to 13 players who will go to a new level in Snr Footy depending on injuries etc.........that is a lot of improvement in the team......ALOT !!!

Plus potentially two draft picks in the 1st round that could play some Snr football !!!

Heeney
Naismith
AA
Sinclair
Papley
Mills
Jones
Swampy
Talia
Rose
Foote
Nanka ? if he stays
Towers ? if he stays


Players yet to be tested in Snrs with significant potential

Newman
Abe Davis
Oriordan
Dawson

[Mug Punter]

These two quotes related to GWS. Some weeks ago a writer on 'The Roar', in response to a comment from me along the same lines as above, said that in a separate communication to journalists the AFL had said this rule won't apply to academy clubs for this draft period.

I know no more than that, so no idea if it is true. But it could explain why GWS is still busily accumulating picks.

If that is the case then GWS can stockpile as much as they like I guess, as clubs "trade in" their round 3 and/or 4 picks that they won't use but which have value under the points system.

It does also allow clubs to unlock this value and moved their picks up the draft order which would not otherwise be available. All in all the points system, and the secondary market it creates, has made trade week a lot more interesting in terms of strategy