2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[jono2707]

All the more reason to steer clear of the filthy entitled bogus Giants. They won't be getting any of my hard earned $$$'s in 2017 that's for sure. I'm keeping well away from that rancid mob.

[Jimitron5000]

I want players who can kick. Preferably to their teammates.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Jake Lloyd ?

[AnnieH]

All the more reason to steer clear of the filthy entitled bogus Giants. They won't be getting any of my hard earned $$$'s in 2017 that's for sure. I'm keeping well away from that rancid mob.

When we play them at their home ground, instead of going, I'll buy something from the SwansShop.

[707]

Just getting my numbers done for Rookie Draft, I think I've got this correct.

From a senior list of 38 we retired/traded/delisted 8 to make 30.

We upgraded Papley, Newman, Foote & Marsh to make 34.

We draft 4 can't believe they were still there at our pick players! tomorrow night to make senior list of 38 again.

We only have Melican & Murray left on the rookie list so need 4 more next Monday. O'Riordan is a Cat B rookie.

[bloodspirit]

How does the rookie list work? Is there a minimum and maximum number of rookies, as with the senior list?

[bloodspirit]

As regards the GWS Whitfield thing and the penalties my thoughts are:

* while I have no idea why it took the AFL so long to investigate, I think that they probably didn't have much option about whether to penalise GWS this year or not. To penalise GWS this year they would have needed GWS to accept the penalty. Otherwise there has to be some kind of a hearing where GWS gets to put their side of the story and their case forward about why they shouldn't be penalised. There probably wasn't enough time to permit that to happen before this year's draft given how long it took the AFL to investigate and act.

* I think this case is less clear cut than some and immediately when I first heard about it I wondered whether there was a basis for penalising GWS as well as the individuals involved. How many individuals at what level have to be implicated before the club is too? With the Essendon drugs scandal, what if it couldn't be shown the Board knew what was going on. They couldn't fairly argue "well only the coach, the CEO, the high performance manager (etc.) knew, not the club". So where does one draw the line between individuals knowing and the club being pinged with responsibility? I think it is a bit complicated. I also think that, with only limited information, it possibly doesn't pass the so called 'pub' (or 'smell') test for GWS to get no penalties and hang it all on the individuals. When you have two relatively senior staff members (especially Gubby Allan) involved and collaborating with each in relation to actions that are intended to benefit the club, then that probably does have to be sheeted back home to the club.

* For all that, I suspect there is also degree of cynicism in GWS contesting the charges. This is one of the last drafts where they are really going to clean up big time and I think it suits them to put off any penalties into the future and that is partly why they are contesting the matter.

[Nico]

Yep, put it off as long as they can. Sounds like draft tampering to me.

[Ludwig]

Bloodspirit is right. From the GWS perspective it's best to put the penalties off to next year. They've given away players for nothing, then traded up to pick 2 for one non academy player and traded down for just enough points to get the academy players they want. If they accept draft penalties this year, everything gets screwed up for them, so the sensible strategy is to hold things up just long enough so the draft gets done before the penalties are imposed. How can you blame them for doing what's best for the club?

The fault lies with the AFL for taking so long to process the case, putting themselves in a poor position to penalise GWS this year.

[Nico]

Bloodspirit is right. From the GWS perspective it's best to put the penalties off to next year. They've given away players for nothing, then traded up to pick 2 for one non academy player and traded down for just enough points to get the academy players they want. If they accept draft penalties this year, everything gets screwed up for them, so the sensible strategy is to hold things up just long enough so the draft gets done before the penalties are imposed. How can you blame them for doing what's best for the club?

The fault lies with the AFL for taking so long to process the case, putting themselves in a poor position to penalise GWS this year.

I should have said draft tampering by the AFL for not resolving it well before now.

[Auntie.Gerald]

i just can't imagine Simpkin..............I don't see what Cal sees

KB said today 9 players in total but more importantly he said ?What we believe will happen is players like Andrew McGrath, Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth and Tim Taranto will definitely be gone"

Personally if we walk away with two young bull midfielders in our first two picks we are looking seriously dangerous for many years ahead !!!!!

Could you imagine any other team picking up the emerging midfield talent of Heeney, Mills, Brodie and SPP in the space of 3 years.......for me that is setting us up for many years ahead.......it is a ridiculously exciting midfield that will take over from the likes of Macca, Jack and Kennedy in years to come

Kennedy
Parker
Hannes
Jack
Lloyd
Jones
Hewett
Heeney
Mills
Brodie
SPP


with genuine depth pressure from Robbo, Foote, Dawson, Marsh etc

.......................

My first two picks in order are:

1. Brodie
2. SPP
3. Logue
4. Venables
5. B.Cox
6. S.Bolton


Last two picks totally depends on the first two picks but if we can't achieve to raging young midfielders and we opt for a Midfielder and a tall defender in our first two picks I would hope we could find another value mid/HBF and another tall as we don't have any development tall forwards on our list for the future.......Im still keen Olango as well as a player that may end up a key forward, key defender or ruck with a few years development just like AA making his debut at 22yrs of age ........... the reduced interchange and AFL vision is faster lighter


Rookie Draft

1. Ruckman
2. Outside mid
3. Tall Forward
4. Inside Mid
5. NSW / Academy CatB?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Swans narrow in on first pick - sydneyswans.com.au

[Ludwig]

The problem I see with getting another inside midfielder, other than your Judd, Dangerfield type with speed on the outside, is that some of your inside mids will have to be relied on to get the ball into space by running the line or kicking, areas of the game where they are not that strong. The advantage is that you can rotate more players at stoppages.

What I feel we need are one or two players who are good at the metres gained stat, which was the case with Malceski and Jetta.

My guess is that the 3 players we have narrowed down to for our 1st pick are Logue, Simpkin and Brodie. I heard that Longmire had a chat to Oliver Florent and if the feeling is that he is happy to come to Sydney, I think he takes the place of Brodie in the top 3. Berry might be in the 3, but only if we've given up on getting Logue.

[Auntie.Gerald]

its a good argument Ludwig........i love all the ideas on this site......well almost all

but we tend to play with wingers such as Lloyd as a link and Buddy almost like a true winger/ wrap around HBF at the SCG for half of the game time i.e. drifting wide and sideways to open space......Hannes until this year drifted wide a lot on our home ground SCG

Mills and Jones will play half the time off HBF etc with Rampe at the SCG...........so do we need another another outside Mid ? i don't think so with the game plan we executed in most games last season except the GF

We very much either linked by foot or hand pass smaller movements until it gets to buddy etc who drift wide and towards our our HBF'S

The test though is how we modify our game plan and or player matches on a big footy pitch and when we play a team like the Dogs or worse GWS with their athletic fast mid defenders........Its almost like their heavier mids fold back in cover defence when the smaller athletic defenders shoot thru on the wings or thru the middle........we tend to NOT use this style and instead go faster short movements out of our backline then open space to the side of the centre of the pitch to allow our forwards to cross into space or move around the "imaginary square" as the Hawks did 2012 onwards

[Ludwig]

Cal Twomey's latest update has what I would call the worst case scenario for us, i.e. one where Logue, Scrimshaw and Simpkin are all taken and the no one bids on Bowes. That leaves us with a choice between Brodie, Florent and Berry, IMO. I think Florent would most suit our needs, but it's really a very close call. I would think that Freo would go for someone other than Simpkin, already having Walter and Ballantyne as small forwards and picking up Brad Hill from Hawthorn and Harley Bennell likely to play next year. If GC do end up with Ainsworth at pick 4, then Brodie makes so much more sense than Logue for them.

Here are the top 15 as Cal has it now.

Pick 1 ? Essendon ? Andrew McGrath
Pick 2 ? Greater Western Sydney ? Tim Taranto
Pick 3 ? Brisbane Lions ? Hugh McCluggage
Pick 4 ? Gold Coast ? Ben Ainsworth
Pick 5 ? Greater Western Sydney (matching Carlton's bid) ? Will Setterfield
Pick 6 ? Carlton ? Sam Petrevski-Seton
Pick 7 ? Gold Coast ? Griffin Logue
Pick 8 ? Fremantle ? Jy Simpkin
Pick 9 ? Gold Coast ? Jack Scrimshaw
Pick 10 ? Gold Coast (matching Sydney's bid) ? Jack Bowes
Pick 11 ? Sydney ? Will Brodie
Pick 12 ? Greater Western Sydney (matching North Melbourne's bid) ? Harry Perryman
Pick 13 ? North Melbourne ? Oliver Florent
Pick 14 ? West Coast ? Jarrod Berry
Pick 15 ? Adelaide ? Jordan Gallucci