1st QF Swans v Giants

[Beerman]

Don't care how good he's played for us. He's a weakness to our side and the club should always come before being sentimental. Horse made a massive @@@@ up selecting him against Richmond and today due to what I feel is sentimentality. Hope he's played his last game.

Thanks for the service McGylnn, but you're a list clogger now. Time to hang up the boots and move on.

Not sure why you would say it was a mistake to select him against Richmond - he had a great game against them.

[mcs]

I've sent a tweet to AFL asking for a review of neither mark nor free kick to Heeney in the 3rd quarter with #AFLwhistleblowers to try to get it on Monday's umpiring video. I know it is water under the bridge by then but still .... Anyone else like to do the same? I think the choice of what is looked at is influenced by the amount of angst that is shown (judging by past comments on the video).

I have done the same Meg- that was a huge call in terms of momentum in the game. At the ground it appeared the umps had 3 potential calls that could of been made - a mark, a free for chopping of the arms, or free for over the shoulder. Would be interesting to see how the AFL justify it, as that is what whistleblowers 95% of the time seems to do.

[stevoswan]

On the Kennedy hit, I think too many of our players went down in the first quarter for it to just be a 'coincidence.' I think it was GWS's strategy to take out our players from the start.

Johnson and Mumford should be suspended, but they won't be because the AFL won't allow it.

At least the ABC see things neutrally, this from a 'finals hero's and villains' article on their news website (in the 'villain' section of course!): "You could make an argument that Steve Johnson was a hero for the Giants against the Swans. After all, his bump on Josh Kennedy ignited the flame of physicality that set GWS up for an unforgettable win.

But his antiquated way of going about it is to be derided, especially with what we now know about concussion. Make no mistake, Johnson made a deliberate play for the head of the opposition's best midfielder. Let's hope those trying to sugar coat it are ignored." Ignored by the MRP? Well, let's hope so.....

[bloodsbigot]

Of course the club should come before sentiment, and does - ROK and Richards being recent examples. I also agree that he had a poor game yesterday. My objection was to your childish comment on him crying for missing a GF. That was unnecessary and disrespectful.

Boo bloody hoo. You can stand outside my house and protest about it if you like.

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Not sure why you would say it was a mistake to select him against Richmond - he had a great game against them.

Everyone had a good game against Richmond. But agree it was hard for Longmire to drop him after he snagged 5. Yesterday showed where he was really at.

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At least the ABC see things neutrally, this from a 'finals hero's and villains' article on their news website (in the 'villain' section of course!): "You could make an argument that Steve Johnson was a hero for the Giants against the Swans. After all, his bump on Josh Kennedy ignited the flame of physicality that set GWS up for an unforgettable win.

But his antiquated way of going about it is to be derided, especially with what we now know about concussion. Make no mistake, Johnson made a deliberate play for the head of the opposition's best midfielder. Let's hope those trying to sugar coat it are ignored." Ignored by the MRP? Well, let's hope so.....

I'm very sure that them taking out Tippett and Kennedy led to their win.

[Danzar]

The ABC24's Offsiders is running a repeat of this morning's edition at 3.30 this afternoon. I'm told it's really worth watching, goes into details like possible suspensions, and much else.

It only covered it a bit. They show better vision of the Kennedy hit (still tough to find anything super clear though). Whateley seems convinced that both Stevie J and Mummy will get suspensions.

EDIT: AFL seems to have updated their analysis from this morning. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-1...or-kennedy-hit Still not conclusive.

[56-14]

Not surprised that Whateley wants them suspended.
He's Cats thru & thru - hoping they're out only if Giants play Geelong.
If Swans, he'd change his tune quick smart.

[Danzar]

The video http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-1...or-kennedy-hit shows four angles. It's clear there is contact and when all four angles are taken in context, contact with the elbow. That would have to be an intentional striking charge, surely? If Stevie J's 2015 suspension is taken into account, he's gone for three weeks. Anything less, those on the MRP should never participate again.

Mummy is tricky. I agree with the assessment that on vision and Tippett's immediate condition, there's probably a fine in it. But, if Tippett's jaw is broken, and it's from that sling tackle, Mummy will have to get 1-2.

Hilarious how they gloss over the Lewis punch in the Hawks Cats game. Lewis did exactly the same a few weeks earlier and got off.

[stevoswan]

I wouldn't question Gerard Whatley's motives, he might be a Cat fan, but he has integrity......

[stevoswan]

Well, Mummy has to go then.....Tippetts jaw is broken and he won't be playing next week! Duo ruled out - sydneyswans.com.au. Bugger!

[56-14]

I wouldn't question Gerard Whatley's motives, he might be a Cat fan, but he has integrity......

Seems you didn't listen to him when we flogged Cats at the SCG by about 100 points a couple of years back.
Biggest pay-out I've ever heard against Swans (Franklin, Tippett, COLA)
Integrity!

[Danzar]

I wouldn't question Gerard Whatley's motives, he might be a Cat fan, but he has integrity......

I wasn't questioning Gerard at all...was talking about the AFL write up. Have updated my post so it's a bit clearer on that front.

EDIT: whoops, spoke to soon. You were referring to another post!

[goswannies]

From the AFL app: Intentional striking, with medium impact to the head, would result in a three-match ban down to two with an early guilty plea, sidelining Johnson for the Grand Final if the Giants win their way through.
The only other way Johnson could receive a three-match ban down to two is if the MRP graded the incident as careless rough conduct with high impact to the head.
Given Kennedy played on after a spell on the bench to be assessed, it would seem that conclusion could only be reached if a damning medical report was submitted by the Swans.
submit a damning medical report!!

[mcs]

The video ANALYSIS: Stevie J staring at ban for Kennedy hit - AFL.com.au shows four angles. It's clear there is contact and when all four angles are taken in context, contact with the elbow. That would have to be an intentional striking charge, surely? If Stevie J's 2015 suspension is taken into account, he's gone for three weeks. Anything less, those on the MRP should never participate again.

Mummy is tricky. I agree with the assessment that on vision and Tippett's immediate condition, there's probably a fine in it. But, if Tippett's jaw is broken, and it's from that sling tackle, Mummy will have to get 1-2.

Hilarious how they gloss over the Lewis punch in the Hawks Cats game. Lewis did exactly the same a few weeks earlier and got off.

We all know Hawks operate under separate rules to the rest in search of the 'fourpeat'. Lets see if the AFL will extend that to the Giants in search of their first Plastic Cup as well.

It has just been confirmed Tippett has a hairline fracture to his jaw.

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From the AFL app: Intentional striking, with medium impact to the head, would result in a three-match ban down to two with an early guilty plea, sidelining Johnson for the Grand Final if the Giants win their way through.
The only other way Johnson could receive a three-match ban down to two is if the MRP graded the incident as careless rough conduct with high impact to the head.
Given Kennedy played on after a spell on the bench to be assessed, it would seem that conclusion could only be reached if a damning medical report was submitted by the Swans.
submit a damning medical report!!

Haha I completely agree goswannies - we should so no favours to the plastics. Its not like any other club would do us a favour in the same circumstance. As much as I hope the plastics don't win the flag, it would at least be great to see Johnson the grub have to watch if from the sidelines.

[barry]

I dont think stevie j or mummy will get 2 or more weeks so we'll see them again in the grand final.

[KTigers]

"integrity" ??? he's a sports journo..... is that even a real job?

I wouldn't question Gerard Whatley's motives, he might be a Cat fan, but he has integrity......