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  • waswan
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2015
    • 2047

    To be fair, most of us were bagging him for not moving the magnets, which is something he didn't do for 3 years but has done for the last 10 weeks

    Pre-Round 6 I could count the games on 1 hand when Kennedy/Parker/Hannabery weren't in the centre square

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4050

      Originally posted by waswan
      To be fair, most of us were bagging him for not moving the magnets, which is something he didn't do for 3 years but has done for the last 10 weeks

      Pre-Round 6 I could count the games on 1 hand when Kennedy/Parker/Hannabery weren't in the centre square

      Little bit difficult without a fit Heeney, Papley and Jack. As for the previous 3 years, 2 GFs and a finals berth not bad for someone who apparently sat on his hands.

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      • giant
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2005
        • 4731

        Originally posted by waswan
        To be fair, most of us were bagging him for not moving the magnets, which is something he didn't do for 3 years but has done for the last 10 weeks

        Pre-Round 6 I could count the games on 1 hand when Kennedy/Parker/Hannabery weren't in the centre square
        Good point, one of a number of changes he's made since then. Much made of the stars returning and once again winning contested possession - but can you name one of our stars that even now is having a better year than last year, and there have still been times in recent weeks when we haven't managed to win CP. The major changes have been the success of the team defence approach (holding the opposition's key playmakers, strangling them at the clearance, and brilliantly stopping opponents even getting inside 50), as well as the greater flexibility of the players. All of that requires acknowledgment of great work by the coaching staff as well as the players.

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        • barry
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          Originally posted by CureTheSane
          One of those threads where going back and quoting comments would be quite embarrassing.
          It can go both ways. Was John already right, or did he change as was suggested on here.

          Bit of both. But he hasn't acheived anything this year yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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          • Blood Fever
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 4050

            Originally posted by barry
            It can go both ways. Was John already right, or did he change as was suggested on here.

            Bit of both. But he hasn't acheived anything this year yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
            So only a flag will do? Too many modern day swans fans have been spoilt. God help them if we dip even slightly.

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            • Doctor
              Bay 29
              • Sep 2003
              • 2757

              Not Longmire's fault the umpiring was "not up to AFL standard" in the GF last year.
              Today's a draft of your epitaph

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              • Markwebbos
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2016
                • 7186

                Originally posted by giant
                Good point, one of a number of changes he's made since then. Much made of the stars returning and once again winning contested possession - but can you name one of our stars that even now is having a better year than last year, and there have still been times in recent weeks when we haven't managed to win CP. The major changes have been the success of the team defence approach (holding the opposition's key playmakers, strangling them at the clearance, and brilliantly stopping opponents even getting inside 50), as well as the greater flexibility of the players. All of that requires acknowledgment of great work by the coaching staff as well as the players.
                Heeney
                Franklin
                Papley

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                • barry
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8499

                  Originally posted by Blood Fever
                  So only a flag will do? Too many modern day swans fans have been spoilt. God help them if we dip even slightly.
                  Any season that doesn't produce a flag is a failure. Especially after 2016 grand final robbery. No flag with Franklin in the team would also be a lost opportunity.

                  Ask any player. All they want is a premiership.

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                  • 0918330512
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 1654

                    Originally posted by barry
                    Any season that doesn't produce a flag is a failure. Especially after 2016 grand final robbery. No flag with Franklin in the team would also be a lost opportunity.

                    Ask any player. All they want is a premiership.
                    Sorry, but what a load of cr@p.

                    A premiership is the ultimate goal. It's not a measure of success.

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                    • barry
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8499

                      Originally posted by 09183305
                      Sorry, but what a load of cr@p.

                      A premiership is the ultimate goal. It's not a measure of success.
                      I'm sorry you feel that way, but you are wrong. You may be happy with 2016, I and the players were not.

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                      • YvonneH
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 1141

                        Originally posted by 09183305
                        A premiership is the ultimate goal. It's not a measure of success.
                        Totally agree. Success is what the Swans have achieved in the last (how many years?)
                        - Making finals in all but 1 year (2009?)
                        - Making 5 GF, winning 2 since 2005
                        - Not bottoming out
                        - Good 'culture'
                        - Not making the news for all the wrong reasons (Talia excepted).
                        - Record membership

                        I am sure there on posters on here that could add more.

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16773

                          Originally posted by giant
                          Good point, one of a number of changes he's made since then. Much made of the stars returning and once again winning contested possession - but can you name one of our stars that even now is having a better year than last year, and there have still been times in recent weeks when we haven't managed to win CP. The major changes have been the success of the team defence approach (holding the opposition's key playmakers, strangling them at the clearance, and brilliantly stopping opponents even getting inside 50), as well as the greater flexibility of the players. All of that requires acknowledgment of great work by the coaching staff as well as the players.
                          Last year our best five players had fantastic years, as evidenced by their selection in the AA team. It's why we were able to reach a grand final with so many young, inexperienced players.

                          I agree with you than none has attained those heights this year. Franklin will probably be the only Swan in contention for the AA team (and in a season where the goal scoring by all the best forwards is a little lower than last year - partly because JJK has been injured for several weeks). I think Rampe is close to last year's form but his spell early in the season means he won't make the team.

                          But we've had improvement from the next tier of players, including some of those who were very young and inexperienced last year. It's a much more solid foundation for a team, I think, though it's also good to know that Kennedy, Parker and Hannebery (in particular) have another level they can reach and may yet do in the last two months of the season.
                          Last edited by liz; 24 July 2017, 10:26 AM. Reason: typo

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                          • KTigers
                            Senior Player
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 2499

                            Well, incredibly, it is actually possible different Swans supporters measure the teams success in different ways.
                            Not quite sure how one person's measure of success can be "wrong" and another is "right".
                            It's highly likely the players themselves don't all have exactly the same way of measuring their own and their
                            teams success either.

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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              Perhaps the term "ultimate success" for a flag meets all needs.

                              Some can settle for "partial success" of a good solid 4th or similar.

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                              • KTigers
                                Senior Player
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 2499

                                As supporters we don't have much choice but to settle for what the team deliver. The reality is flags are ridiculously
                                hard to win. Personally, after last year when I think we should have won because we were the best team in the comp,
                                I won't be happy unless we will the whole shebang. I've seen six Grand Finals, and we've only won two of them.
                                Two is not enough out of six for me at least. Four would have been better, 2006 & 2016 were the one's that go away IMO.
                                Sure, coming third or fourth this year after the 0-and-6 start will be commendable, but in a few years time it's not
                                going to count for much. But I understand that others have a different take on what constitutes a successful year.

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