2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Plugger46]

That's glass half full alright!

Langdon is good without being a star, Clarke is not guaranteed best 22, and I'm not sure what trade bait we have available to land anyone else significant (let alone 2!)

FWIW I think injury free and coached well, we have a list that could win a premiership, however it is concerning that a number of our rivals are continuing to significantly strengthen in the trade period while we don't appear to be

Like Port, Geelong and Essendon last year?

We missed our opportunities to win an extra flag (or two) and now it feels a bit like 2007-2011 to me. Staying competitive and waiting for that next core group to emerge.

[Bill Posters]

we get screwed again. Happens all the time the swans must be almost the worst group when dealing with trades, maybe we should have gone for dogoro (I know its spelt wrong but the
Essendon guy) or perhaps the Hawks guy or get Pelchen in to teach our traders. To trade hanners for vitually nought is scandalous Blakely would want to be a champion. I am tempted to give up my membership (currently over 50 years) I am disgusted with this. I guess we want get Langdon which makes it worse. The Swans need to be advised of the outrage from most supporters. Piock 30 was bad enough but to give up Hanners and pick 28 is outrageous.

Wow, bit extreme. I suggest you read the article linked above, it helped put things in perspective and made me feel better.

[CureTheSane]

A Venn diagram featuring posters who have spent the last two years calling for Hanners’ head alongside those now saying the Swans have been ripped off would be interesting...

oooh, I like this lol

I agree 100%, can't bitch nd sook, but like I said, at some point I look forward to an explanation.
One thing to want Hanners gone, another thing to have him go in such a poor deal.
But it's only a poor deal after everything is all said and done.
Best way to look at this is to look at the ins and outs after the trade periods and the draft.
That's what the club will be doing.

[Ludwig]

HPN values Tom Langdon at pick 32, so our pick 33 would be closest if a trade were to happen, but 26 wouldn't be far off the mark either, especially given his strong finish to the season.

But they rate Steven May at pick 37!?

Any Ryan Clarke at pick 13.

[CureTheSane]

we get screwed again. Happens all the time the swans must be almost the worst group when dealing with trades, maybe we should have gone for dogoro (I know its spelt wrong but the
Essendon guy) or perhaps the Hawks guy or get Pelchen in to teach our traders. To trade hanners for vitually nought is scandalous Blakely would want to be a champion. I am tempted to give up my membership (currently over 50 years) I am disgusted with this. I guess we want get Langdon which makes it worse. The Swans need to be advised of the outrage from most supporters. Piock 30 was bad enough but to give up Hanners and pick 28 is outrageous.

I'm sure most of the senior Swans are reading this thread with tears in their eyes.

[O'Reilly Boy]

we get screwed again. Happens all the time the swans must be almost the worst group when dealing with trades, maybe we should have gone for dogoro (I know its spelt wrong but the
Essendon guy) or perhaps the Hawks guy or get Pelchen in to teach our traders. To trade hanners for vitually nought is scandalous Blakely would want to be a champion. I am tempted to give up my membership (currently over 50 years) I am disgusted with this. I guess we want get Langdon which makes it worse. The Swans need to be advised of the outrage from most supporters. Piock 30 was bad enough but to give up Hanners and pick 28 is outrageous.

The HPN analysis is illuminating and seems fair. I'm disappointed that it has ended this way for Hanners, but not particularly upset. Robbed of the Norm Smith medal in the 2012 GF, and for so long seemed like the beating heart of the club. But his shoulders have long been banged up, and the OP has severely restricted him. This season was dreadful, even when he was purportedly getting back to fitness. Horrible disposals, and although there were quarters where he seemed back to his endurance running, he wasn't impacting upon the game.

I'm prepared to back Harley et al here. A tough call, but the decision was clearly made some time ago that he was not part of the future of the club. I remember feeling this way about Malceski when he went to the Suns, but in retrospect it seems that it was a sensible decision to let him go. I wish him all the best, though: loved watching him in his pomp, and I remind myself that I always retained a soft spot for Schneider and Dempster at the Saints.

[Markwebbos]

The Hanners trade in hindsight will either look like genius or stupidity.

If he keeps turning in 2018 type performances, they'll have blown $800k a year on a non-performing "star"
If the 2016 version re-appears, it would be a historically bad trade by the Swans. Potentially worse in hindsight than Mitchell or Nankervis.

The Swans clearly believe the old Hanners is not coming back.

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I have to share this quote re: Barrett from Trade Talk - AFL.com.au

"Damian Barrett is perhaps the best footy journalist in the country and his Sliding Doors column is always full of nuggets."

[MattW]

So what’s likely to happen to Nick Newman now Norths appear to have lost interest?

Harley hinted on Wednesday that we might rookie him if he isn't picked up.

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Tend to agree with this. The club obviously intimately involved and witnessed his demise very close up. In saying that it is all out the window if he has a cracker season next year !

Yes, I'm sure they made the decision they thought to be in the best interests of the club on the available information.

[0918330512]

So what’s likely to happen to Nick Newman now Norths appear to have lost interest?

They’re holding out for us to trade Newman and pick 26 for whatever future 5th rounder they care to throw at us

[Sandrevan]

The Hanners deal just shows how desperate we were to trade him out. I thought we would have gotten a little more than that!

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I agree with you here. The question in my mind is why the Swans were so desperate to get the trade done??? I suspect the Swans know more about Dan than anyone else. The big question is whether Dan can regain his form from 2016 and earlier. If he can't then he becomes and overpriced white elephant for St Kilda. I guess it depends on which side of the fence you sit. My view is that Dan is cooked. I think the Swans have passed an 800k 4 year problem onto St Kilda.

[mcs]

The Hanners trade in hindsight will either look like genius or stupidity.

If he keeps turning in 2018 type performances, they'll have blown $800k a year on a non-performing "star"
If the 2016 version re-appears, it would be a historically bad trade by the Swans. Potentially worse in hindsight than Mitchell or Nankervis.

The Swans clearly believe the old Hanners is not coming back.

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I have to share this quote re: Barrett from Trade Talk - AFL.com.au

"Damian Barrett is perhaps the best footy journalist in the country and his Sliding Doors column is always full of nuggets."

Are they referring to ginormous brown nuggets, that are usually flushed down a toilet....

[Bloods05]

So what’s likely to happen to Nick Newman now Norths appear to have lost interest?

North.

[R-1]

HPN values Tom Langdon at pick 32, so our pick 33 would be closest if a trade were to happen, but 26 wouldn't be far off the mark either, especially given his strong finish to the season.

But they rate Steven May at pick 37!?

Any Ryan Clarke at pick 13.

Hi, I'm actually one of the authors here. To clarify, May's gonna be 27 in January and history says he's good for missing a half dozen games every year, so that hurts him on an accumulative valuation system. When/if he gets traded for more than that, it's a sign he's getting a premium because of breaking contract, and that the club is thinking more short term improvement to the list than longer term payoffs.

[Flying South]

The Saints will finish higher than the Swans. We're in the Premiership Spoondow.

Looks like there will be a new symbol for the Battle of the Bridge next year.

Mate you've been spruiking our depth and up and coming midfield for a while. Why the sudden change in heart.

[ootf]

Venn diagrams? The shape of points graphs?

Any Unis offering degree courses in Trade Week yet?