2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • grarmy
    Warming the Bench
    • Aug 2010
    • 406

    Originally posted by AnnieH
    We were ripped off.
    Ah...another well considered and insightful view from one of our favourite posters.
    "Play like you can’t lose."

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    • jono2707
      Goes up to 11
      • Oct 2007
      • 3326

      Originally posted by caj23

      AFL site also reports that we are one of the clubs to have interviewed former Pie rookie and Sandover medallist Jye Bolton
      Boltons have generally gone ok for us in recent history so he'd be worth a look...

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      • caj23
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2003
        • 2462

        Originally posted by jono2707
        Boltons have generally gone ok for us in recent history so he'd be worth a look...

        LOL good point

        The other thing it shows (whether we draft him or not), is that mature age talent to assist our midfield is on our radar

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16772

          From US to Sydney: Delisted Cat has medical with Swans - AFL.com.au

          This article from the AFL site gives some information about the progress of the Menzel potential recruitment, the likely time frame for the club making a decision, and explains why it might be slower than some on here seem to want.

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          • aardvark
            Veterans List
            • Mar 2010
            • 5685

            Originally posted by liz
            and explains why it might be slower than some on here seem to want.
            It's just like the kiddies hanging out for Xmas.......then opening that shiny new pressie to discover a pair of socks.

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            • caj23
              Senior Player
              • Aug 2003
              • 2462

              Originally posted by aardvark
              It's just like the kiddies hanging out for Xmas.......then opening that shiny new pressie to discover a pair of socks.
              Part of me loves that we're a professional organisation who like to keep our cards close to our chest (we even drag out our delistings), but on the other hand it does make for a frustrating trade/draft period!

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              • AnnieH
                RWOs Black Sheep
                • Aug 2006
                • 11332

                Originally posted by grarmy
                Ah...another well considered and insightful view from one of our favourite posters.
                Tell me where we weren't ripped off. Aside from the fact that he has become, shall we say, "slow" and "inept" over the last two years, he's a senior, premiership player, ON A CONTRACT. St Kilda don't care if he doesn't play (like it's going to make a difference anyway with his effective disposal rates), they want him for that seniority and experience... for that you have to pay a better price.
                The alternative is that Hanners put his tail between his legs and get used to spending the rest of his career in the ressies.
                AFAIC, the draft pick wasn't high enough for that "seniority" and "experience".

                Happy now?

                - - - Updated - - -

                Menzel...

                Aside from the four knee reconstructions Menzel has overcome, the talented forward has had groin issues this year. Geelong chose not to offer him a contract, in part due to his weakness as a defensive player, despite booting 40 goals in 2017 and averaging 2.1 goals per game this year.

                So, we just got rid of a player who has had multiple knee reconstructions...
                We recruited a top-tier forward, who was prone to injury...

                Can't freakin' wait to say I told youse so.
                Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                • 707
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6204

                  As one does with a bottle of good McLaren Vale Shiraz tucked away, had a fiddle with draft points in regards to the Blakey bid.

                  If Blakey slipped as far as 10, we would use 26 & 33 but gain pick 50. With the use of multiple picks for single Academy & F/S, this pick could end up mid 40s. Now that might tempt us to use an extra draft pick other than the three consecutive picks we have flagged using.

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                  • bloodspirit
                    Clubman
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 4448

                    My guess is that Gold Coast will call Blakey's name at 6. Would that impact our pick 38? Would be nice if we could keep those three consecutive picks intact. Can't see us taking 5 at the ND.
                    All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                    • Nico
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11339

                      Originally posted by bloodspirit
                      My guess is that Gold Coast will call Blakey's name at 6. Would that impact our pick 38? Would be nice if we could keep those three consecutive picks intact. Can't see us taking 5 at the ND.
                      I don't get why Gold Coast would want to bid on Blakey at 6, when they have to take the best player possible to build their future stocks.
                      http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                      • YvonneH
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 1141

                        Originally posted by Nico
                        I don't get why Gold Coast would want to bid on Blakey at 6, when they have to take the best player possible to build their future stocks.
                        If they bid at 6 and don't get him does that affect their bid 6? If it doesn't and they still have pick 6 then they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

                        I hope they don't bid on him (or any other club for that matter) just to force us to use our 1st 2 picks.

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16772

                          Originally posted by Nico
                          I don't get why Gold Coast would want to bid on Blakey at 6, when they have to take the best player possible to build their future stocks.
                          I don't understand that comment.

                          For a start, it is quite feasible that they consider Blakey is the best available player at that pick to build their future stocks.
                          Secondly, they'll know that Sydney will match a bid at pick six so even if they don't think he's the best available player at that pick, they still get to choose whoever they think is.

                          I'm not predicting they will (or won't) bid at that pick. Just confused on the suggestion it makes no sense for them to do so.

                          In answer to Bloodspirit's question, a bid at pick six will impact pick 38. It will get pushed back around seven places. (The residual value falls between picks 44 and 45, and I don't know if the AFL rounds up or down - presumably down).

                          A bid at pick seven also affects pick 38 but shifts it down just one or two spots, meaning it doesn't affect the club's group of three picks in a row.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Originally posted by liz
                            In answer to Bloodspirit's question, a bid at pick six will impact pick 38. It will get pushed back around seven places. (The residual value falls between picks 44 and 45, and I don't know if the AFL rounds up or down - presumably down).
                            In the case Blakey is matched at pick 6, I think pick 38 will become pick 37 after we use pick 33 and pick 37 will drop to pick 44. The real issue is that there will be 4 intervening picks between our original pick 40 and whatever original pick 38 falls to, but 3 of those picks will be used by Collingwood and North for their priority selections, so only a Freo pick will fall between our current picks 39 and 40. The bottom line is that it is unlikely to have any impact on our 4th selection.

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                            • Aaron
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 805

                              Potential Rookies: Sydney has sought and received permission to audition three New South Wales-based footballers before the draft.

                              Canberra Demons teammates Mitch Maguire and Angus Baker, both 20, plus Jack Blair, a raw 205cm ruckman from UNSW-Eastern Suburbs Bulldogs, are the trio.

                              Permission to train: Crows, Swans trialling fresh faces - AFL.com.au

                              Some more background of Jack Blair- a Pyke in the making?
                              Last edited by Aaron; 10 November 2018, 02:43 PM. Reason: Additional information

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                              • ernie koala
                                Senior Player
                                • May 2007
                                • 3251

                                Originally posted by Aaron;766018

                                Some more background of Jack Blair- a Pyke in the making?
                                [url="http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-10/jack-blair-205cm-112kg-rugby-convert-nicknamed-beanstalk-on-trial-at-swans"
                                205cm, 112kg rugby convert nicknamed 'Beanstalk' in rookie mix - AFL.com.au[/url]
                                Love the sound of this guy...A long term, intriguing, project.... Much like Mr Pyke
                                Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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