2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

I'm surprised that people are saying we "won" the Hannebery trade with St Kilda. It's too early for that kind of call in my view. Sure, he had massive injury concerns this year, but he seems to be on the mend and if he can get himself right over the off season he might be as good as ever for them yet. Remember he has at least two or three years in him

I'm realistic about his value - he did tend to butcher the ball - but he was still a very good player, inspirational at his best and very nearly a Norm Smith medalist, and we let him go for not very much.

My disappointment with the Swans list management team is that while our drafting has been ok, we haven't really attracted any really good players via trades since Buddy in 2013. compare that to 2007-9, where we perhaps had a bit of luck, but we got Kennedy, McGlynn, Mumford, Shaw, and Mattner. Not a bad haul.

Of course there was the trade ban, since which we've gone to the draft and picked up some very promising players. Time is now to trade though, pick 4 aside.

[barry]

That’s reassuring! Despite the last few years having a massive war chest to try to entice big (& small names), that basket case of a club couldn’t land a parked 747, let alone a player they actually target.

Funny. And true.

[stevoswan]

You can spin in that way, but at the end of the day we got a lesser player in exchange. And Jetta has another premiership.
We actually make Sinclair look good because we have allowed our ruck stocks to be depleted (another poor list management aspect).

At the end of the day, you don't go from flag favourite to 15th in 3 years unless you make a few stuff ups. Let's own them, and correct then.

Trade ban, injuries anyone?

[Jeynez]

Here's Morris with an 'exclusive'.Joe Daniher Sydney, Joe Daniher, AFL Trade Period 2019, AFL Trade Whispers, Lance Franklin, Essendon, Sydney Swans | FOX SPORTS

How do we all think we can make this trade (if true)? Sadly I think Papley might have to be traded for either North (8) or Carlton’s (9) pick to make this happen.

Essendon will undoubtedly ask for Pick 5. But would Pick 8/9 and our early second be enough to get it done?

[wolftone57]

Anyone who is upset about trading for Daniher should really start getting used to it. He is coming. Not officially yet but prepare yourself. I’m hoping it is for no more than our 2020 1st round + pick 23 this year.

Effing bull@@@@. He is not worth that. He is an injury prone, joy boy. He is not serious about anything even winning. A future number 1 + 23 crap. I propose we do a swap. James Rose for the glamour boy. WE DO NOT NEED THIS GUY AND HE IS JUST GOING TO EAT SAKAEY CAO WE COULD USE FOR USEFUL PLAYERS WHO WILL ACTUALLY PLAY GAMES FOR @@@@S SAKE

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[ugg]

Apparently this is Papley’s dad’s Twitter account in response to Tom Browne’s report

David Papley on Twitter: "Reportedly @TomBrowne7 is going to made accountable for his made up bull@@@@ journalism, you are an absolute flog… "

[wolftone57]

I wouldn't trust Browne to break an egg. But there does seem to be momentum for it.

This is interesting: AFL Trade Rumours on Twitter: "Joe Daniher is set to ask for a Trade to Sydney. Fox Footy understands Daniher’s primary motivation concerns his disappointment with Essendon’s medical department over several seasons, despite public denials.… https://t.co/dLhvxBFgEj".

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Here's Morris with an 'exclusive'. Joe Daniher Sydney, Joe Daniher, AFL Trade Period 2019, AFL Trade Whispers, Lance Franklin, Essendon, Sydney Swans | FOX SPORTS

If he has disappointment at Essendon's medical department he is going to be absolutely fuming at ours. Our blokes can't keep anyone on the park. Even having to retire several players because they @@@@@@ up.

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[troyjones2525]

Y'all can argue the edges all you like, but when was the last time a team traded away a player for steak knives who won a brownlow the next year. ?

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Can't see how anyone can argue here. Yes Florent looks a likely type but Mitchell is hardly old too...

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[stevoswan]

If he has disappointment at Essendon's medical department he is going to be absolutely fuming at ours. Our blokes can't keep anyone on the park. Even having to retire several players because they @@@@@@ up.

Ouch!

[wolftone57]

I still strongly suspect the Bunyip fires early in the year affected Papley. If the dude wants to go back and is going to be paid $800k-$900k to do it, good luck to him. If that is the case we shouldn't stand in his way, but pick 7/8 is the least we should request.

Bull@@@@. He is contracted until 2023. Let him play it out. Until his contract ends he is a Swans player. Otherwise the team that decides to POACH him should pay his contract at the Swans to the Swans. In other words $600,000/year. That would be how much? Four years let me see. $2.4 mil

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[troyjones2525]

Apparently this is Papley’s dad’s Twitter account in response to Tom Browne’s report

David Papley on Twitter: "Reportedly @TomBrowne7 is going to made accountable for his made up bull@@@@ journalism, you are an absolute flog… "

This says it all I think.

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[Faunac8]

Interesting slip up on the AFL live site
“The Saints are looking to bring in Fremantle's Bradley Hill, Port Adelaide's Paddy Ryder and St Kilda's Zak Jones and have met with Adelaide's Alex Keath.”
So it’s that obvious that Zak has gone he’s already being referred to as a Saints player ????

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Wasn’t Buddy’s number1 reason for moving to Sydney his relationship with Jesinta?

So the story goes, who knows, it may not just be spin. But even if Jacinta was his number 1 reason for coming to Sydney, that factor clearly had no effect on the club cripplingly enormous mountain of money that Buddy and his agent extracted from the Swans.

Buddy and Tippett.together hoovered up almost a quarter of the salary cap. Leaving far less for other. . . .

A) Swans players, precipitating the departures of Swans players that then went on to achieve great things at other clubs.

B) Recruits. after the Bondi Billionairs there was no salary cap left to recruit anyone else. The AFL trade ban had no practical effect on the Swans recruiting whatsoever.

[AB Swannie]

Effing bull@@@@. He is not worth that. He is an injury prone, joy boy. He is not serious about anything even winning. A future number 1 + 23 crap. I propose we do a swap. James Rose for the glamour boy. WE DO NOT NEED THIS GUY AND HE IS JUST GOING TO EAT SAKAEY CAO WE COULD USE FOR USEFUL PLAYERS WHO WILL ACTUALLY PLAY GAMES FOR @@@@S SAKE

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Yelling and swearing does not make your argument stronger.

I’m happy to agree to disagree. Firstly, we are not coming last next year. Not even your pessimist brain could seriously think that. We are likely to finish 9th to 12th at worst with our easier draw and developing list. That would mean pick 7 and 23 at worst. Daniher is definitely worth that risk. We also have access to Gulden and Campbell next year so we will still draft well next year without that first pick.

[Auntie.Gerald]

My gut feeling is still this is a significant trade period for us

Probably the most significant we have seen for 5yrs and probably the most significant we will see the next 5yrs

We went after the 3 positions we felt we lacked in last season and settled with plan B which was interim solutions via Menzel, Thurlow and Clarke

We have massive experience out the door this season

We have cap space free

We have put game time into youth

We are ready !