2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Jeynez
    Warming the Bench
    • May 2013
    • 223

    Originally posted by MadCanuck
    Any views on Brandon Ellis? Mid 20s, 150+ gamer. Good outside endurance runner. Also doesn't mind the physical part of the game.
    He plays pretty bruise-free footy I thought? But I think he plays too similar of a role to Jake Lloyd and Cunningham.

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    • Nico
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 11329

      Originally posted by Jeynez
      He plays pretty bruise-free footy I thought? But I think he plays too similar of a role to Jake Lloyd and Cunningham.
      Agreed. Plays outside for the hand pass and have seen him a number of times not want to be first to the footy.
      http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6474

        The whole Papley thing makes a lot of sense pre and post the info

        Carlton have a wide net and maybe the Dogs and Saints do also

        They want specific types of players and paps killed it with 37 goals this season

        It also makes sense that paps was restless also because his form this year may have increased his contract at a club like saints and or Carlton by 200k pa

        Over 3 or 4 seasons that is $600k to $800k pa

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        Seems like we can all go back to what we were doing now........and remove the Papley possibility from our fun forecasting
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • S.S. Bleeder
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2014
          • 2165

          Originally posted by Blood Fever
          Article says he extended contract to include 2021 and then there was a trigger clause, so he has 2 more years rather than one as you suggest?
          I don't see much difference between an extra 1 year and an extra 2 years TBH. It puts us in a slightly better position but if he really wants to go is the club going to force him to stay?

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          • goswannies
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2007
            • 3048

            Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
            I don't see much difference between an extra 1 year and an extra 2 years TBH. It puts us in a slightly better position but if he really wants to go is the club going to force him to stay?
            Ryan O’Keefe

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            • waswan
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2015
              • 2047

              You dont get a 2yr trigger into your contract giving you 3yrs of surety to reneg and try to leave or demand more money.

              Im sure Sydney would have scope to reward him a bit if he was deemed to be well under.
              ASA money can be used to add to a salary.

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              • Auntie.Gerald
                Veterans List
                • Oct 2009
                • 6474

                “It will be a significant off-season for the Swans, with Zak Jones also considering his options, with contract offers from Essendon and St Kilda.“



                I wonder what these clubs could offer to make this possible ?
                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                • S.S. Bleeder
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 2165

                  Originally posted by Captain
                  Correct, that is definitely a good point (and a concerning one).
                  Correct. Exit interviews mean little if a player hasn't made up their mind.

                  If Papley wasn't entertaining the idea of a move, wouldn't he have come out by now stating that he's contracted and wants to stay thereby shutting down this rumour?

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                  Originally posted by Jeynez
                  He plays pretty bruise-free footy I thought? But I think he plays too similar of a role to Jake Lloyd and Cunningham.
                  I'm amazed that people keep mentioning him. He's always been an outside player; we need inside players or really, really good outside players.

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                  Originally posted by goswannies
                  Ryan O’Keefe
                  I actually thought of him as I was typing but can't think of any other examples.

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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16739

                    Originally posted by goswannies
                    Ryan O’Keefe
                    He didn't really want to go. He wanted a bigger contract than was originally offered, and he wanted to play in the midfield. If he had really wanted to leave, he would have done so, given he was out of contract and had a couple of clubs keen on him.

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                    • goswannies
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3048

                      Originally posted by liz
                      He didn't really want to go. He wanted a bigger contract than was originally offered, and he wanted to play in the midfield. If he had really wanted to leave, he would have done so, given he was out of contract and had a couple of clubs keen on him.
                      707 what were your recollections of what Ryan said about that period when he talked to the supporter group? He was pretty forthright IIRC

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                      • Captain
                        Captain of the Side
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3602

                        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                        “It will be a significant off-season for the Swans, with Zak Jones also considering his options, with contract offers from Essendon and St Kilda.“



                        I wonder what these clubs could offer to make this possible ?
                        Pick 8 for Papley (the article mentions Carlton willing to giving up their first round pick) is an interesting thought though.

                        Potential gun midfielder for Papley. I actually would consider that deal.

                        But Pick 8 has produced absolutely stuff all in the last 10 years. Dyson Heppell the only decent one.

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                        • waswan
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 2047

                          Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                          I wonder what these clubs could offer to make this possible ?
                          Tippa or Danniher plus picks

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16739

                            Originally posted by Captain
                            Pick 8 for Papley (the article mentions Carlton willing to giving up their first round pick) is an interesting thought though.

                            Potential gun midfielder for Papley. I actually would consider that deal.

                            But Pick 8 has produced absolutely stuff all in the last 10 years. Dyson Heppell the only decent one.
                            Why would the club seek to trade (as opposed to respond to a request from Papley to be traded) a current young but experienced gun midfielder/forward (for he is far more than a small forward) for a pick that might (but might not) become a gun midfielder in a few years time? Our list profile desperately needs to retain players in Papley's age range. We already have a crop of promising players who will enter their prime in a few years time.

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                            • KSAS
                              Senior Player
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 1770

                              Originally posted by Captain
                              Pick 8 for Papley (the article mentions Carlton willing to giving up their first round pick) is an interesting thought though.

                              Potential gun midfielder for Papley. I actually would consider that deal.

                              But Pick 8 has produced absolutely stuff all in the last 10 years. Dyson Heppell the only decent one.
                              I'm glad to hear the club effectively saying Papely is off the trade table. With a developing young list we just can't afford to lose a young gun even for a early draft pick & then having to waste another few years developing that player with no guarantees they'll be good or also get "homesick". At the end of the day draft picks are a lottery and small elite forwards like Papely who can also play midfield don't go grow on trees. Explains why he is in demand.

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                              • Captain
                                Captain of the Side
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 3602

                                Originally posted by liz
                                Why would the club seek to trade (as opposed to respond to a request from Papley to be traded) a current young but experienced gun midfielder/forward (for he is far more than a small forward) for a pick that might (but might not) become a gun midfielder in a few years time? Our list profile desperately needs to retain players in Papley's age range. We already have a crop of promising players who will enter their prime in a few years time.
                                I don't think the club should (or would) seek to trade. However if Papley was to ask for a trade, I think a case could be made that Pick 8 is pretty good value for him.

                                What would then stop us trading Pick 8 (and maybe Pick 4) for an absolute star?

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