2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Blood Fever]

Im a Carlton supporter but a regular for years on the local footy page here and after living in Sydney since late 87 and being involved at local level have taken a keen interest in the Swans.

From people I know that have some knowledge the Swans and Blues are on the same page and pick 9 is a fair price. It all hinges around Daniher. SOS and the Swans know that trading fairly is the key to long term success - screw people and gloat makes it difficult to trade again.

From an outside perspective your ability to develop new draftees for a few years away from the cauldron of senior footy is a huge reason behind your long term sustained success. I doubt you will stay where you finished this year for long regardless of players who may transfer out.

Id be cautious about Daniher though - If he cant get his body right you will have the disaster we had with Daisy.

Excellent post. Remember SOS helped train up LRT before 2005 GF. Should be mutual respect between clubs although I have some bad memories of the bad old Blues pinching players.

[KTigers]

I laughed when i heard a EFC supporter ring Sam Maclure this morning suggesting our pick 5 & Papley for Daniher, to cover them potentially losing Fantasia to PA. Fair to say Sam didn't pay too much attention to that suggestion.

It's probably also fair to say the Bombers fan is on drugs.

[Blood Fever]

It's probably also fair to say the Bombers fan is on drugs.

First and second round pick would probably get trade done if it came to that.

[ernie koala]

Agreed. He's no world beater but he's a handy player. If we were to lose both Jones and Papley, we'd be even lighter on that we already are for players in the 23-28 age bracket that needs to form the core for competitive sides. Maybe we can trade him for James Rose...

I'm not sure bringing in ordinary players to fill an age void is good policy....Last year it was Clarke and Thurlow, add to those two, Lewis and Knight...

That looks like 4 fringe players to me, adding to an already sizable list of in house fringe players....That's not going to improve things much...

Unless you want to be a solid ordinary mid tier team.

IMO, if we can't attract proven top level talent through trades, then we should keep our powder dry and recruit talent and build.

[dejavoodoo44]

It's probably also fair to say the Bombers fan is on drugs.

Was it Stephen Dank? Or what was the name of the guy who called himself, "the weapon"? Dean Robinson?

[Aprilbr]

I'm not sure bringing in ordinary players to fill an age void is good policy....Last year it was Clarke and Thurlow, add to those two, Lewis and Knight...

That looks like 4 fringe players to me, adding to an already sizable list of in house fringe players....That's not going to improve things much...

Unless you want to be a solid ordinary mid tier team.

IMO, if we can't attract proven top level talent through trades, then we should keep our powder dry and recruit talent and build.

Agree totally on picking up fringe players. A road to nowhere.

PS Rose is worth nothing on the trade market. I expect him to be delisted post trade week when nobody expresses interest in him and if he is lucky someone might pick him up as a Rookie later on. Otherwise he will be playing in the SAFL next year and probably starring in that lower level competition.

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[dejavoodoo44]

From the AFL

AFL.com.au understands the Swans are set to meet with Crow Riley Knight with his future at the Crows still undecided.

The 24-year-old, who played 15 matches this year and was also a member of the Crows' 2017 Grand Final side, was told he would have to wait until the end of Trade Period to learn his fate at the Crows...

Brisbane small forward Lewis Taylor, who also remains without a deal at the Lions, has also received preliminary inquiries from the Swans.

The 2014 NAB AFL Rising Star played just five matches this season, overlooked for regular senior opportunities as the Lions surged into second place in the 2019 home and away season.

It is understood he is open to moving to his second AFL club.

I would like Taylor. Especially if Jones goes. Good skills and pace. Probably a better decision maker than Jones. Would probably come cheap. Not sure how much time he could spend as an inside mid, though?

[Auntie.Gerald]

I suspect Riley might be a little bit of a Ben McGlynn style of recruit if we go down that path

Ie Traded in for peanuts

Ie 24/25 yrs of age and starting to hit their straps mid 20s rather then early teens early 20s and taken time to develop and or had better players established in their existing teams 22 and hard to dislodge

Mcglynn ended up playing 130games for the swannies

Down side is that our last 3 trades have been ordinary so but could rise up in 2020 I hope ?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Jake Kelly - AFC.com.au

Jake would be handy though and free up Callum to finally play more midfield minutes

[troyjones2525]

I'm not sure bringing in ordinary players to fill an age void is good policy....Last year it was Clarke and Thurlow, add to those two, Lewis and Knight...

That looks like 4 fringe players to me, adding to an already sizable list of in house fringe players....That's not going to improve things much...

Unless you want to be a solid ordinary mid tier team.

IMO, if we can't attract proven top level talent through trades, then we should keep our powder dry and recruit talent and build.

+1

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[waswan]

From people I know that have some knowledge the Swans and Blues are on the same page and pick 9 is a fair price. It all hinges around Daniher. SOS and the Swans know that trading fairly is the key to long term success - screw people and gloat makes it difficult to trade again.

Disagree, Carlton held Gibbs when a deal couldnt be made and if we are supposedly nice to Carlton with pick 9. Then we get fleeced by Essendon who are notoriously difficult to trade with.

We held tough when Okeefe when wanted out (ironically to Carlton) and that followed the best years of trade we have ever had.

Id be going after SOS, look at all the muppets he has brought over from GWS, he is far from the top of the list management pool

[liz]

Agree totally on picking up fringe players. A road to nowhere.

PS Rose is worth nothing on the trade market. I expect him to be delisted post trade week when nobody expresses interest in him and if he is lucky someone might pick him up as a Rookie later on. Otherwise he will be playing in the SAFL next year and probably starring in that lower level competition.

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I haven't crossed-checked which posters have made which comments, but in the last few days there have been comments asking "where's our Henderson", or similar.

Henderson was the ultimate in fringe player when he joined the Hawks but has carved out a very valuable role for himself in the Hawthorn team. Similarly Matt de Boer at the Giants.

McGlynn was a fringe player when he joined us. Arguably so was Joey Kennedy. And Rhyce Shaw was unwanted by Collingwood. We paid very little for them, but all were valuable acquisitions (mega understatement for Kennedy). Sure, the three we picked up last year (and paid very little for) didn't set the world on fire, for a variety of reasons. Clarke, in particular, still played some decent football at times.

The reality is teams get injuries so can't rely on simply a best 22. But the salary cap doesn't permit you to have 30 or so strong players. Or if you do, you have to sacrifice on your absolute top line talent. You need guys who can play a role, and whose noses won't get out of joint if they have to play a bit of NEAFL. Look at the Richmond team. It's full of players with limitations and flaws, but they play for each other, play in a consistent style and at consistent effort levels, and complement the four or five A+ graders and handful of B graders (or A- graders) that the Tigers also have on their list.

I don't think we have that many players in this mold at the moment. Rose will almost certainly go. (You clearly didn't spot the tongue in my cheek re my suggestion of him as trade bait). Fox is another. He might go or might stay. Thurgood disappointed this year but he's got one more year (by way of contract) to show he can deliver more or he'll be out of the door. Menzel is probably in a similar situation. It's not like we have multiple long-term list cloggers. Get them in, see what they have to offer, and then move them on if necessary.

Below our best 22 we have a decent raft of players who still too early in their development to really be list cloggers (or fringe players). Some of these may just have one more year to show they can step up. Some won't be able to step up. Hopefully they - and I mean the likes of Stoddart, Bell, Ling, McInerney, Foot - will get some opportunities at senior level in the next season. But injuries in 2019 meant we fielded one of, if not the, youngest 22 for around half the season. Too many immature bodies makes it hard for the team to sustain the effort over four quarters. And in a lot of the games we lost, it was one poor quarter that cost us the game. To take the next step, the team needs to become a little physically harder and attain greater consistency over the course of a game. To do that, a couple more mid 20s players, who don't cost a huge amount trade-wise, or cap-wise, can't be a bad thing. And who knows, we might uncover one who becomes "our Henderson" or our "de Boer" (or even, dare I say it, "our Nick Newman").

Having said all of that, I'm not personally a fan of Lewis Taylor. To me he's a player that buzzes around and gets a lot of the ball but without much purpose. Even at NEAFL level, he didn't really stand out to me this year as a player of purpose and thrust.

[KSAS]

Disagree, Carlton held Gibbs when a deal couldnt be made and if we are supposedly nice to Carlton with pick 9. Then we get fleeced by Essendon who are notoriously difficult to trade with.

We held tough when Okeefe when wanted out (ironically to Carlton) and that followed the best years of trade we have ever had.

Id be going after SOS, look at all the muppets he has brought over from GWS, he is far from the top of the list management pool

+1
Like many here I hope the club makes Papley hold to his contract as they should, especially considering Papley himself seems to be content to remain if a trade doesn't get done. The club recently made point of having to continually fight the "go home" factor particularly with Vic originated players on their list. This voice of protest would seem somewhat hollow if the club agrees to release Papley who is on a multi year contract, when they had the option to retain him. It is therefore important the club makes a stand with Papley even if they're offered 2 x 1st round picks for him. Same with Jones to an extent even though he's uncontracted. Having said that, cynics will point out that we released Hannebery to St Kilda when he had 3 years remaining on his contract even though the club seemed willingly to make that happen for cap space/peformance issues.

[MattW]

Damian Barrett reporting this morning that Essendon are now aware Daniher wants out and that picks 5 and 9 are the 'starting point'. Ugh. He seems to be reporting it based on Essendon sources though. I would be very surprised if we gave up pick 5.

Telstra AFL Trade Radio on Twitter: "Barrett: "There is an awareness now from the Bombers that Joe Daniher wants out and it's for reasons that are personal for Joe"

#AFLTrade"

Telstra AFL Trade Radio on Twitter: "Barrett: "I believe that those two picks, picks 5 & 9 (should they get it for Papley), will become part of the conversation between Essendon and the Swans to get Joe Daniher out of the contract he has and to the Swans. It would be the starting point of conversations"

#AFLTrade"

[KTigers]

As someone here said, why is Daniher worth more than Scully or Patton. He's broken.