2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Nico]

McCartin should not be in the conversation. Has the ability to be a star at either end of the ground - but in particular, I think he has a huge chance to be a key position defender in future.

If we must offer up a player, dare I say it, Reid is the one. One often broken down player for another is fair surely :P

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I find it really intriguing that no other Melbourne clubs seem to be in for Papley. Yes he wants to go to Carlton and that is his preferred destination - but we keep getting told he wants to get back to Melbourne for 'family reasons'. Or maybe the family reasons bit is just a pile of horse @@@@, designed to force our hand.

We should have been able to manufacture a bidding war between at least 2 or 3 clubs I would of thought - we should be telling papley we will help you get back to Melbourne, but cant guarantee to what club it might be. See what the real motives are behind it all....

Maybe a house in his girlfriends name is a good enough bait to get him to Carlton and no other club.

[KSAS]

Darcy Cameron and pick 62 to Collingwood for pick 56.

We effectively traded Darcy Cameron for Pick 67 in draft points value.

[707]

We effectively traded Darcy Cameron for Pick 67 in draft points value.

We do this more than most clubs, Cameron, Newman, Nankivell, Membrey

[liz]

I strongly endorse this approach. It's one thing to have a rivalry; both clubs can benefit from that. What we don't want is stupid niggling and general nastiness which has us finishing up like the two Adelaide lots on a bad day.

If a club bids on a player who is genuinely the player they would most like at that pick - ie they think he's best available and/or best fits their list needs, I don't see that as "stupid niggling and general nastiness". The bidding system is intended to determine something approximately equal to "fair value" for draftees that clubs have priority access to. Clubs bidding on players where they think they should be valued is doing that.

[liz]

We do this more than most clubs, Cameron, Newman, Nankivell, Membrey

And yet Brisbane (if you believe the media) suggested a second round pick would be appropriate for Taylor. I hadn't realised he was out of contract when I initially read that. Even in contract, it would be an audacious request. For an out of contract, out of favour, and limited upside player, it's downright rude.

[Meg]

Time for Swans to get ‘downright rude’ on Jones and, especially, Papley!

[Thunder Shaker]

We effectively traded Darcy Cameron for Pick 67 in draft points value.

He's played one senior game in three years. I think the trade is reasonable.

[KSAS]

I'm not too peturbed by this trade as we did gain 6 places foregoing a pick we may not even use. Club may a strategic plan with these picks liike how they cleverly manipulated them in last year's live trading.

[royboy42]

Listening to Barratt and Lloyd it did sound like their salary is being paid by EFC and/or JD's manager.

I found it telling that by the end of their 4 minute discussion about why the Swans HAD to give in to Dodoro, they'd talked themselves out of it, pointing out that Essendon hadn't been able to get him on the park for 2 years, and that they hadn't achieved any success (won a final) in his 7 years at the club, which somewhat negates the "irreplaceable" and key to the success nature of Essendon.

FWIW given they don't want draft picks, I'd give them McCartin and a second rounder for Daniher.

I'm intrigued to see how the Hill trade plays out today after the Saints called Freo's bluff.

McCartin goes? How could anyone suggest that? He's a baby who is already showing he's gonna be a champ.

Don't even think of it,Swans...don't even think of it.

And, of course, it's still only Melbourne media potboiling, after all.

[Industrial Fan]

Very frustrating trade period with the constant threat that we’ll pay too much for JD. Not really fussed if we get him or don’t. 9&25 seems like a lot to give up when he’s not filling an obvious need on our list.

The pick for Cameron seems about right and probably communicates we’re not on the market for any of their fringe players.

Less bullish about Papley than I was, still thinking he’ll stay though. Doesn’t seem like he’s thrown the toys out of the cot for a move.

[Cosmic Wizard]

He's played one senior game in three years. I think the trade is reasonable.

Yes we never going to get much but this is less than nothing.

We need points for next year academy, so why not ask for a pick next year.

Yet again our traders have proven that they are not up to the task.

[barry]

Cameron couldnt get a game as ruckman even when we had no ruckmen. They obviously think he's a dud.

He will be behind Grundy, Cox and a couple of others at Collingwood. Delisted in 2 years.

[Ralph Dawg]

Cameron couldnt get a game as ruckman even when we had no ruckmen. They obviously think he's a dud.

He will be behind Grundy, Cox and a couple of others at Collingwood. Delisted in 2 years.

You're most probably right Barry. But I think the Pies are looking at him more in the forward / ruck role. His path to that position at the swans is blocked and strange as it sounds, may get more opportunity at the pies. Having watched him in the NEAFL over the last few years, he can take a mark and is an excellent set shot.

[ugg]

Cameron couldnt get a game as ruckman even when we had no ruckmen. They obviously think he's a dud.

He will be behind Grundy, Cox and a couple of others at Collingwood. Delisted in 2 years.

He was injured.

[Thunder Shaker]

I'm not too peturbed by this trade as we did gain 6 places foregoing a pick we may not even use. Club may a strategic plan with these picks liike how they cleverly manipulated them in last year's live trading.

The Cameron trade is fairly close to the mark of what I was suggesting a couple of weeks ago.

I doubt we would get much for Cameron either. If Cameron goes to the Pies, I expect that we'll get a future pick, possibly with a pick swap. It won't be earlier than the third round and we may have to give up a fourth-round pick with Cameron to get that.

We didn't get a future pick, but Cameron and a fourth-round pick for a third-round pick was on the money.