2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[royboy42]

Never been so much hot air floating around as with this Daniher thing.

All that has actually happened is that Sydney have been made aware that he would like to play with us.

Sydney has acknowledged that fact.

Dodoro has made silly, ambit claims as to what Essendon want.

Melbourne press and tv full of crazy conjecture.about insane potential deals; each one sillier than the next.

Not one word from Sydney or Daniher.

Sometime Wednesday an announcement will be made.

Until then, it's all guesswork based on nothing.

Cop that , Essendon.

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I wonder how Paps is feeling this morning? Relieved or Annoyed?

Probably depends on which of the many stories about how he feels about being here is true.

[mcs]

I wonder how Paps is feeling this morning? Relieved or Annoyed?

I hope it can be like ROK and he gets on with playing football. But I fear we will have this same circus next year.

[Aprilbr]

I wonder how Paps is feeling this morning? Relieved or Annoyed?

Probably annoyed but hopefully our welfare people will work hard with him to make life in one of the world's greatest cities more bearable to him.

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[Aprilbr]

Kane Cornes just described on radio the trade period for us as a "Swan Dive" and "embarrassing".

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[U.S. Swan]

Interesting quote from Dodoro on yahoo article.
"Actually through this whole process, we've grown to respect him a helluva lot more for the person he is.”
Dude! What you should say is “Actually through this whole process, our absolute respect and admiration of him as a player and teammate have not changed. We remain as committed as ever to working with Joe in securing his legacy as a legend of the Bombers.”
You just admitted you obviously didn’t respect him before and, like a bad marriage, you only respect him now because he wanted out.
Mr. Dodoro, on behalf of the fans of the Bombers, STOP TALKING! YOU DON’T DO IT WELL! On behalf of us Swans Supporters, KEEP IT UP!!!!

[i'm-uninformed2]

I reckon we did well.

We are not winning a flag next year, and that's ok. We are actually at the start of a two-year, trade and draft period that will define our club for the next decade.

If we get smart in the draft this year and get a star at pick 5, and another Rowbottom or two at one of our latter picks - that's good.

But next year is crucial. We potentially have two stars coming in via the academy, we can revisit the Daniher acquisition, and with Paps likely to ask for another trade, will have a cache of draft picks that allow us to go again high in the draft, or if not Daniher even trade in someone else as Buddy's contract winds out.

These choices - along with the work done the last two-three years to bring in Blakey, McCartin, Rowbottom, Florent etc - will define us.

Put it this way. Everyone raves about St Kilda, but other than Hill - they have vacated the next two drafts on a bunch of middle-of-the-road players.

I'd rather be us.

[Bexl]

I wonder how Papley is feeling tonight? I assume that he is still partying with his Swans mates overseas?

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Yep I would think so

[Bloods05]

I really think people worry too much about what otherwise unemployed ex-footballers say in the Melbourne "media".
Who cares. Right now we have pick 5. Time to go and find the next JPK, Parker etc.

Amen to that. The amount of attention given to people who were either clearly ignorant or utterly cavalier with the facts (e.g. Montagna, Wallace, Barrett) or had an obvious agenda to bolster the position of their team (Lloyd, Watson) was beyond ridiculous. The footy media was never exactly a paragon of journalistic excellence, but it has become little short of a circus.

[Nico]

I hope it can be like ROK and he gets on with playing football. But I fear we will have this same circus next year.

Yep, that house in Bunyip will still be on the market come trade week next year.

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The guy is an absolute tool. Absolute wanker. Absolute @@@@wit. take your pick. What an absolute tool.

Not a fan MCS?

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I have to say I find it amusing to discover that after everyone has been losing their minds for the past two weeks, the people who are paid to manage this as a full-time job, acted like reasonable, rational, professionals.

Even Dodoro, based on reporting of his actual comments, was pretty reasonable I think. I would have said much the same in his position - "I don't want high picks. Joe is irreplaceable from our list, so I need one of your players to replace him".

If you just ignore what the media says then it's all pretty calm really.

The funniest thing I heard was on trade radio this morning, where Dal Santo was arguing that "Essendon couldn't win the flag in 2020 without Daniher" and Maclure was arguing they could. I nearly rang in and said "You're kidding yourself if you think Essendon can win next year with OR without Daniher"

They have got very little to talk about. These dills have been debating this all week and went on and on about it last night.

[Nico]

Yes, that way what I found interesting. Almost there the entire AFL site commentary, and some of the other media, reported things from the viewpoint of the Victorian clubs. We heard plenty from the Victorian list managers, we heard plenty from Victorian journalists and ex-players, but we heard pretty well nothing from our management or the management of the other northern clubs. It almost seemed like there was a concerted effort, to construct a reality, where what Essendon, Carlton, etc, were offering, were considered and reasonable positions, rather than bull@@@@ ambit claims.

So glad that we seemed not to be affected by all that, and didn't get railroaded into dodgy deals.

Yep, GWS and Brisbane played the game well and us and the GC put up the brick wall and made a statement that they were no longer going to be shafted by the Vic clubs. Don't forget the Vic journos follow their own clubs down here and I am not surprised that they got narky when things didn't go their way for once. Andy Maher wasn't too happy yesterday when his beloved Blues looked looked like missing on both Papley and Martin.

[707]

What a cheap idiotic media circus in Melbourne, I'll give you an alternate headline

Swans mortgage future!

At the 11th hour the Swans got their man Joe Daniher but have mortgaged their future to get him by paying a massive price at the trade table. This years pick 5, next years first, which could be in a similar region of the draft, and young gun Oliver Florent was more than they wanted to pay but having chased the contracted Daniher they were obligated to get him to Sydney.

This is the highest price ever paid by a club to secure a player, more than the famous Visy Judd trade and the Mogg's Creek Dangerfield trade for fully fit players in their prime. Daniher's huge long term contract could also force other player losses in future seasons much like the unprecedented Franklin contract.

There is also the ongoing concern about Daniher's chronic groin injury, an injury that forced his older brother to retire after just a handful of games. How does Daniher fit into their forward structure already boasting Franklin, Reid and young gun McCartin.

Within hours of the trade rumours were already circulating about player discontent at losing Florent, Will Hayward is particularly disgruntled and is believed to be looking at moving to the Bombers next trade period.

Yes the Swans have got their man but may have lost this trade period, only a C for me.

[mcs]

Kane Cornes just described on radio the trade period for us as a "Swan Dive" and "embarrassing".

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Another a grade knob.

We held on to a player that wanted to leave, didn't overpay for a play that would have been a high risk acquisition, and got a player that could do very well for us for relatively small change. Sounds like a pretty reasonable trade period for mine. But Kane Cornes has about the same brain power as Barratt... i.e. negligible when compared to a single cell organism, let alone some form of creature with intelligence.

[Hotpotato]

What a cheap idiotic media circus in Melbourne, I'll give you an alternate headline

Swans mortgage future!

At the 11th hour the Swans got their man Joe Daniher but have mortgaged their future to get him by paying a massive price at the trade table. This years pick 5, next years first, which could be in a similar region of the draft, and young gun Oliver Florent was more than they wanted to pay but having chased the contracted Daniher they were obligated to get him to Sydney.

This is the highest price ever paid by a club to secure a player, more than the famous Visy Judd trade and the Mogg's Creek Dangerfield trade for fully fit players in their prime. Daniher's huge long term contract could also force other player losses in future seasons much like the unprecedented Franklin contract.

There is also the ongoing concern about Daniher's chronic groin injury, an injury that forced his older brother to retire after just a handful of games. How does Daniher fit into their forward structure already boasting Franklin, Reid and young gun McCartin.

Within hours of the trade rumours were already circulating about player discontent at losing Florent, Will Hayward is particularly disgruntled and is believed to be looking at moving to the Bombers next trade period.

Yes the Swans have got their man but may have lost this trade period, only a C for me.

Good word-smithing there 707 .
Thank goodness it didn’t come to pass.
Big tick to trading nous Swans.

[Roadrunner]

Guys, like most here, we did very well by keeping Paps and not selling the farm. An interesting point that should have been emphasised by these” journos”- when Dodo was asked if EFC offered JD a new contract, he admitted that they hadn’t!
Now this shows they were very concerned about his recovery/fitness, otherwise why would you not do so for your best player? This surely was a reason for Joe to look to the Swans, as it demonstrated a complete lack of faith.

[Roadrunner]

Re: Paps- I think his head was turned by Carlton’s (and Norf’s) huge $$$ offers. He had a great 2019, compared to previous years when his contract was negotiated. So we should now give him a substantial pay rise, and hopefully this will prevent going through this pain in the future. Of course, he may have other reasons to be back in Melbourne but the money on offer would have been the major one.