2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[dimelb]

If Lewis Taylor can perform for us the way he performed for the Lions as shown on the official Swans website, we will add a genuinely dangerous mid/forward to the team. He has the capacity to excite.

[Sandrevan]

Lack of action will always get a poor grading from the Vic media. They need something to talk about and there was very little to see wrt the Swans.

JD - why would we want him anyway? Another injury prone tall forward. We already have Buddy, Sam Reid, Sinclair, McCartin, Blakey as tall forwards.
Papley - glad he is staying. Surely his gf can get a job in Sydney.

Jones - I'm not sorry to lose him. He didn't develop in the way i hoped. He's erratic and error prone and nowhere near as good a player as his brother was at that age.

Yes, we lost a lot of experience through retirements but those 4 didn't have much influence in 2019 anyway.

As always - injury can define a season. If Naismith, Buddy, Hayward, Menzel, etc can stay fit then 2020 will be very different to 2019.

I'm pleased Beatson and Co didn't make one-sided deals.

[Hotpotato]

Do you reckon general fan feedback, here and elsewhere plays a part in decisions reached ?

I mean has there ever been a time when we can post our opinions so publicly ?

Someone from the hierarchy must read them and go Shikes , the fans aren’t happy about this (potential) outcome!

[KTigers]

Do you reckon general fan feedback, here and elsewhere plays a part in decisions reached ?

I mean has there ever been a time when we can post our opinions so publicly ?

Someone from the hierarchy must read them and go Shikes , the fans aren’t happy about this (potential) outcome!

Could be a dangerous precedent I think HP. Letting the lunatics take over asylum

[southsideswan]

The fans have to make opinion on limited information. Its the list teams job to gather this info and make their decision. The process involves looking at players or their details over years, from one end of the country to the other. Often our information is minimal as it comes from those we have been bagging for the last day or two (ok much longer).

I'm ok at sitting back and waiting to see what transpires.

[707]

Grading trade periods is a laugh as this is a long game and you have to plan carefully. Plenty of examples of clubs having busy trade periods getting an A grade from the journalists only for the team to go no where afterwards.

Daniher was not the right player for 2019, negotiations didn't go anywhere because Dodo pitched his terms where he knew the Swans wouldn't go. Said he needed players but the two that wanted to go to Vic and could have played a part he rejected. He gave us a list of untouchables and wanted very high draft picks for a player with serious injury concerns.

Essendon being made out like draft winners (and us losers) is stupid, did they improve their list or draft position? no. We are probably slight winners, Taylor and pick 32 plus a 20 something upgrade in 2020 for the loss of Jones & Cameron.

Saints hailed big winners, really? lost a few, gained two or three good ones, completed gutted their 2019 & 2020 draft stocks, one pick inside 50 over next two years and are they contending, err no. The next injection of talent they get will be over two years away, nothing to trade players in with, FA their only hope, good luck with that!

Real winners this trade period, Dogs who got needed key players for minimal outlay, Geelong who lost a gun but got two mature potentially good players for nothing and a shed load of extra draft picks, Hawks who paid nothing for Patton.

Happy with where our list is placed, building for a serious sustained tilt.

[Aprilbr]

I agree on the view that the Melb media see activity as being good (for them) and inactivity as being poor. Sometimes less is more as was the case here. The Bombers would not accept 5 and 9 so that is Overs in my view. I now think that it is a good chance that we will never get him but that's not as bad as paying well over the odds.

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[hammo]

Do you reckon general fan feedback, here and elsewhere plays a part in decisions reached ?

I mean has there ever been a time when we can post our opinions so publicly ?

Someone from the hierarchy must read them and go Shikes , the fans aren’t happy about this (potential) outcome!

As with most organisations these days I’m sure the Swans measure online sentiment on social media etc. only they could say whether it played a part in decision making (I suspect not) however it would have alerted them to a serious fan backlash if the deal went through and we’d paid too much.

One of the broadcasts last night lamented Longmire as the worst of the coaches for not giving anything away at press conferences.

The Daniher situation has been carefully messaged since first being revealed.

I don’t for a moment believe the official line that it was just ‘two friends catching up for a coffee’. We will probably never know what happened but the Swans official lines are are all open to interpretation e.g. ‘it developed late’.

Re Papley - now is the time to renegotiate his contract. He deserves more money and if he signs then the club can plan for him staying long term. If he doesn’t sign, then it gives us 12 months to work out a fair exchange with Carlton.

[Aprilbr]

I would have liked for the Swans to go after a quality midfielder this trade period but that seemed to get subsumed in the Daniher/Papley saga. The good news is that our relatively early draft picks should ensure some quality midfielders will come in the door but that's unlikely to lead to short term improvement in that area. Can any of our recruits of recent seasons step up to the plate? A big question.

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[ugg]

I would have liked for the Swans to go after a quality midfielder this trade period but that seemed to get subsumed in the Daniher/Papley saga. The good news is that our relatively early draft picks should ensure some quality midfielders will come in the door but that's unlikely to lead to short term improvement in that area. Can any of our recruits of recent seasons step up to the plate? A big question.

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Did any quality midfielders change hands this trade period. The Crouches were linked to the Suns but they wanted a king's ransom in salary. Powell-Pepper and Wines were also linked to Essendon and Carlton respectively but that seems to be as much to do with the chaos that the Power are in than actual availability. Perhaps you could make an argument for Cam Ellis-Yolmen who moved to Brisbane (but I don't know how they're going to accommodate him).

[barry]

Do you reckon general fan feedback, here and elsewhere plays a part in decisions reached ?

I mean has there ever been a time when we can post our opinions so publicly ?

Someone from the hierarchy must read them and go Shikes , the fans aren’t happy about this (potential) outcome!

I doubt it. There was a lot of hate for buddy before he joined us. If they listened to that, we would never have got him.

It's amazing how much better a player looks when wearing a swans vest.

[707]

I would have liked for the Swans to go after a quality midfielder this trade period but that seemed to get subsumed in the Daniher/Papley saga. The good news is that our relatively early draft picks should ensure some quality midfielders will come in the door but that's unlikely to lead to short term improvement in that area. Can any of our recruits of recent seasons step up to the plate? A big question.

Remind me again of which quality midfielders changed clubs this trade period that may have seen Sydney as a destination on a reasonable or slightly overs contract. Hill getting $900k to go home with his girlfriend, Jack Martin $600 to 700k etc. Rather save the $ and take our time developing our own unless something too good not to chase comes up. Might be better targets next year with salary cap squeezes at Pies, GWS

Edit, we were posting similar at the same time Ugg

[mcs]

Have we found Paps a new bird yet?

That's where our trading efforts should really be focused. Surely Mrs Franklin has some single lady friends?

[waswan]

Im less upset about losing Jones now as we have a few with the potential to jump into his role that are ready for more of a Role.
Glad we kept Paps and held strong on what we were prepared to part with for Danniher.

With the experience we lost you have to remember we lost them very early or during the year not at the end of the year. It would be a different case if Macca Jack Grundy and Smith all played 20+ games but they didnt hence the rebuild on the run. We have made the best of the inevitable experienced turnover and got games into young guys.

Plenty of opportunity for improvement from the current list and looking at the players that were traded there were none we missed that were a realistic chance

So keeping Paps and Pick 5 is a win

[Ludwig]

A few random comments:

• I believe the Swans now have the youngest list in the league. It's very close for the 3 youngest. There's always more uncertainty about the future when it depends on young prospects developing to their potential. I expect a lot of players that we haven't seen much to step up next year.
• Cal Twomey rated Essendon's trade period highly for making it impossible for us to find a reasonable deal to recruit Daniher. But rates Sydney's efforts poor, for not caving in to ridiculous demands for Daniher. I wonder how we would have been rated . if we had offered picks 5 and 9 plus McCartin, which probably would have gotten the deal done, but would clearly have been excessive in the extreme.
• Gold Coast commended for not rolling over on Jack Martin, but we are castigated for not rolling over on Daniher.
• St. Kilda rated the big winners in the trade period, while I rate them one of loses, having overpaid for Hill, losing Acres and effectively falling out of the draft for 2 years. What will the Saints look like in a few years when Max King is ready to be a big time key forward? They still look far from creating a critical mass of quality players to challenge for a top 4 spot any time soon.
• I noticed a few RWOers have wondered if the Swans' management read this forum. I commented earlier in this thread that I thought they would be remiss if they didn't. The fact that on balance we didn't want to do the Daniher deal this year has merit and apparently coincides with that of management. I would have assigned one of the coaches, like Kirk or Perris to keep tabs on what we are saying. You never know when someone here will come up with a brilliant idea.
• Our midfield is not as poor as some have made it out to be. We just need a few more players already on our list to reach their peaks.
• We lost a lot of experience the past couple of years, but we are now looking at a bonanza period for list building, with JPK and Buddy as the only key players likely to retire in the next 3 years. Yet we are likely to add around 9 or 10 quality AFL level players in the next 3 drafts, based on recent history. A few years down the road, we should have some real depth of talent on the list.