2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

Braydon Preuss is now the 3rd choice ruck at Melbourne, might be worth a go and cheap

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Yes he’s better than any of our army of stopgaps

[Melbourne_Blood]

2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

Yes he’s better than any of our army of stopgaps

Would take him in a heartbeat, he is contracted for another season though ( does that mean anything anyway ? )

Scratch that, this is his second year, all in on big Preuss !!

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[MattW]

I'm coming round to the no-ruck Aliir/Amartey type option until we can get a gun. We have to roll the dice a bit, because 13 games of Sinclair rucking is a waste of time and an opportunity.

[Markwebbos]

I'm coming round to the no-ruck Aliir/Amartey type option until we can get a gun. We have to roll the dice a bit, because 13 games of Sinclair rucking is a waste of time and an opportunity.

Please no more Sinkers in the ruck

[bloodspirit]

Clearly the ruck is a huge issue. I think regardless of our strategy we need to get in a ready made ruck. Even if we go with the no ruck approach we need a plan B if it doesn't work. And I reckon at least one of Amartey and Knoll will be out the door at season's end.

In addition, we could do a lot worse than spend a high pick on an outstanding talent e.g. Grundy, Jackson, English were all first round picks even though they typically take years to develop.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Looks like Tom Greene will have some people knocking on his door . Hopefully we are one of them, being a NSW boy we may have a chance at poaching him down the track.

More likely though maybe it continues the squeeze on the giants ( still have to re sign Jeremy Cameron ) and we can pluck one of their other young guns, Hateley or Caldwell ? Don’t see why we have to play nice with this mob.


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[Nico]

Please no more Sinkers in the ruck

The good thing about Sinkers is he has a red hot go. Yes, he might not win that many centre taps but our mids have no idea of how to play to a winning ruck or losing ruck so you can't blame the rucks. This business of playing a ruckman as a full forward has failed in the comp for decades, if not forever. He is our only option. He works his backside off around the ground. Put Allir in the ruck then we rob the backline. If you are going to use Allir elsewhere put him in as a tall midfielder. Might just discover a star midfielder. But we are way too conservative to try this.

[Melbourne_Blood]

The good thing about Sinkers is he has a red hot go. Yes, he might not win that many centre taps but our mids have no idea of how to play to a winning ruck or losing ruck so you can't blame the rucks. This business of playing a ruckman as a full forward has failed in the comp for decades, if not forever. He is our only option. He works his backside off around the ground. Put Allir in the ruck then we rob the backline. If you are going to use Allir elsewhere put him in as a tall midfielder. Might just discover a star midfielder. But we are way too conservative to try this.

Moving Allir out would be a gift to the backline at present , he’s been terrible !


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[stevoswan]

I find this thread extremely annoying at times......so much hindsight 'expertise'. It's really frustrating. How many times do people need reminding that the club does NOT have a crystal ball. Sheese!

[Blood Fever]

The good thing about Sinkers is he has a red hot go. Yes, he might not win that many centre taps but our mids have no idea of how to play to a winning ruck or losing ruck so you can't blame the rucks. This business of playing a ruckman as a full forward has failed in the comp for decades, if not forever. He is our only option. He works his backside off around the ground. Put Allir in the ruck then we rob the backline. If you are going to use Allir elsewhere put him in as a tall midfielder. Might just discover a star midfielder. But we are way too conservative to try this.

Allir and Sinclair to share ruck. Allir then becomes like another midfielder. Both should also have stints up forward where we lack marking power.

[Ludwig]

The idea around having an Aliir/Amartey type ruck option is that we take a different approach to the stoppages. We opt for having another mobile player at stoppages, but recognise that we will be losing most hitouts. If you know this in advance, the team trains for this and turns it into an advantage.

Amartey, although undersized for a ruckman, is actually pretty good at his ruck craft and is not a liability around the ground. He's had some very good NEAFL games, but hasn't quite convinced that he is AFL ready. Hopefully this is just a matter of time and further development.

It's true that Aliir has started the season poorly in defence (he's not the only one). He's not a great one on one defender, but plays much better when we have a real fullback in the lineup. We are quite well stocked in the the key defender position with Brand, Melican, Maibaum, O'Connor and Gould all training with the defender group. Moving Aliir out of this group should improve list balance. Aliir hasn't been great when starting as a forward, but he should work his way into the position now that he has more experience. He's still only a 54 gamer and has a lot of development left before he reaches his peak.

Although we haven't been all that effective moving the ball forward, it's mainly due to poor execution. We can see that the game plan is to move the ball with speed. Nearly every player drafted in recent years is quick. The Swans didn't bid on Tom Green, because we don't need another slow midfielder. We already have JPK, Parker, Hewett and Mills. We are not going to be a stoppage dominant team, but rather an outside running team. So players like Stephens, McInerney, Ling, Stoddart and Blakey are more in line with this playing style. Rowbottom, Florent and Warner, who can play on ball and spread from the contest with speed, are more suitable to this playing style than someone like Tom Greene.

Regardless of how we might classify a player, inside or outside, slow or quick, every player has to be hard at the contest and play a solid defensive game. Not all the players are up to the task atm, but I feel the willingness is there. It's just the application. Just taking Hayward as an example, I find that he's a very willing tackler and is not at all a soft player. He just goes missing too much. Ronke has always been willing at the contest, but poor in his execution. He has improved in this area of his game and hopefully it continues. He was involved in some of good play against the Dogs and was one of our better players overall, although I wouldn't say he played well (the 'bests' list was pretty short).

It's easy to confuse poor execution with poor form in a season with a compromised training schedule and limited match practice. The polish is missing at the Swans, but could return quickly.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I'm pretty sure we've got another bloke already lined up for that position. He's an injury prone ex son of a gun

Did everyone notice how many father/sons the dogs actually have? It's right up there with Geelong's simultaneous haul of Scarlet, Hawkins, Ablett, Blake etc. etc.
Although with the bidding system it's less of a free kick.

Our father/sons tend to either fail to arrive, leave the club or have a horrendous run of injuries.

So caj23's tease would fit the pattern.

[Ludwig]

A big forward/ruckman who can't get a game this year is the Suns' Peter Wright. I can't see him cracking the Suns' lineup this year, barring injury. I think he's on big money, as are most of the Suns, but could well be available at year end. I haven't been impressed by him, but it's hard to judge the Suns' players when the team has performed so poorly until this year.

[jono2707]

A big forward/ruckman who can't get a game this year is the Suns' Peter Wright. I can't see him cracking the Suns' lineup this year, barring injury. I think he's on big money, as are most of the Suns, but could well be available at year end. I haven't been impressed by him, but it's hard to judge the Suns' players when the team has performed so poorly until this year.

That's funny he's the guy I came up with the other day. Two metre Peter is a talent but hasn't developed so well with the Suns. Very much worth a look I reckon.

[Ralph Dawg]

That's funny he's the guy I came up with the other day. Two metre Peter is a talent but hasn't developed so well with the Suns. Very much worth a look I reckon.

Low work rate, strikes me as too lazy to be a full time ruck.