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  • sprite
    Regular in the Side
    • Jan 2003
    • 813

    Originally posted by bloodspirit
    Hewett is too underrated on here, perhaps because he isn't flashy on or off the field. Although he isn't quick, apart from being a tough, strong, experienced and proven contested ballwinner, he's also:

    * An excellent ball user
    * A good kick for goal
    * A decent field kick
    * Can kick well off both feet
    * Disciplined
    * Reliable
    * Selfless team player
    * Excellent defensively and strong tackler
    * Good tank
    * Last but not least, he's versatile. He can get his own ball, he can tag, he can play forward, he can play mid

    He's one of our players who I most trust with the ball in hand. We'd never get fair value for him at the trade table, he's exactly the age and experience profile we need and he's versatile enough not to be holding us back from developing other players.
    Totally agree, these blokes are the core of the team.
    sprite

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
      Which is?
      Ok i looked at the centre bounce attendance numbers from this year and Florent and RB have been attending a lot more centre bounces than Hewett, so he’s not “standing in the way” of those 2 THIS year. (Although he also had a slow start this year).

      Yet there are three players that haven’t played as much midfield time as many of us would have liked: Mills the Messiah, Heeney and Jones.

      Although you could argue that had nothing to do with Hewett, I think if a versatile, competent player like him hadn’t been available that another player would have got more midfield time.

      I think GH’s inside tagging ability making it extremely difficult for the MC not to play him there, and that, coupled with the “untouchable” status of JPK and Parker, has historically limited other players opportunities.

      In my opinion the MC should not send all 3 to centre bounces but they have in the past and I’m sure they will again.

      That's not George's fault, but ...

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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1818

        I almost gave this its own thread. A great piece from Brandon Jack on where the club is just now, compared with previous years. Good to read articles by someone who knows the club, for a change.

        Third time's a charm as young Bloods rebuild themselves again

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        • Blood Fever
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 4040

          Originally posted by neilfws
          I almost gave this its own thread. A great piece from Brandon Jack on where the club is just now, compared with previous years. Good to read articles by someone who knows the club, for a change.

          Third time's a charm as young Bloods rebuild themselves again
          Excellent piece, especially calling out the commentators who rely on lazy, outdated cliches.

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          • sprite
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2003
            • 813

            Originally posted by neilfws
            I almost gave this its own thread. A great piece from Brandon Jack on where the club is just now, compared with previous years. Good to read articles by someone who knows the club, for a change.

            Third time's a charm as young Bloods rebuild themselves again
            Shine the light of reality on the situation and that light is getting brighter as the list get more games under their collective belts.
            sprite

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            • Ocker
              On the Rookie List
              • Sep 2013
              • 45

              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              Hewett is too underrated on here, perhaps because he isn't flashy on or off the field. Although he isn't quick, apart from being a tough, strong, experienced and proven contested ballwinner, he's also:

              * An excellent ball user
              * A good kick for goal
              * A decent field kick
              * Can kick well off both feet
              * Disciplined
              * Reliable
              * Selfless team player
              * Excellent defensively and strong tackler
              * Good tank
              * Last but not least, he's versatile. He can get his own ball, he can tag, he can play forward, he can play mid

              He's one of our players who I most trust with the ball in hand. We'd never get fair value for him at the trade table, he's exactly the age and experience profile we need and he's versatile enough not to be holding us back from developing other players.
              +1 Definitely a key member of the team and recognised in last year's best and fairest.

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              • Ludwig
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 9359

                Since there's been discussion on a potential Papley trade to Carlton this year, I will throw out this hypothetical:

                A straight up swap of Tom Papley, Pick 14 in the 2015 rookie draft, for 204cm forward Harry McKay, Pick 10 in the 2015 national draft.

                I think it's a fair trade and one that would help us. It also seems fair value, 2 players, each worth a high 1st round pick.

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8492

                  Originally posted by Blood Fever
                  Excellent piece, especially calling out the commentators who rely on lazy, outdated cliches.
                  Should be required reading, for Brian Taylor, Cameron Ling, Hamish McLachlan, etc.

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                  • waswan
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2015
                    • 2047

                    Originally posted by bloodspirit
                    Hewett is too underrated on here, perhaps because he isn't flashy on or off the field. Although he isn't quick, apart from being a tough, strong, experienced and proven contested ballwinner, he's also:

                    * An excellent ball user
                    * A good kick for goal
                    * A decent field kick
                    * Can kick well off both feet
                    * Disciplined
                    * Reliable
                    * Selfless team player
                    * Excellent defensively and strong tackler
                    * Good tank
                    * Last but not least, he's versatile. He can get his own ball, he can tag, he can play forward, he can play mid

                    He's one of our players who I most trust with the ball in hand. We'd never get fair value for him at the trade table, he's exactly the age and experience profile we need and he's versatile enough not to be holding us back from developing other players.
                    +1
                    Rate him highly, just wish they would graduate him on from being a tagger

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      Since there's been discussion on a potential Papley trade to Carlton this year, I will throw out this hypothetical:

                      A straight up swap of Tom Papley, Pick 14 in the 2015 rookie draft, for 204cm forward Harry McKay, Pick 10 in the 2015 national draft.

                      I think it's a fair trade and one that would help us. It also seems fair value, 2 players, each worth a high 1st round pick.
                      Out of interest, how do you see McKay helping us?

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        Originally posted by Markwebbos
                        Out of interest, how do you see McKay helping us?
                        I dont think he could. Lets all assume we are getting Daniher next year because he's going to be dirt cheap and we'll risk the injury status.

                        Papley is a player you can build a forward line around. We should hold on to him at all costs.
                        Brisbane have built a forward line around Charlie Cameron, with so-so talls like Hipwood. You can get away without the best talls if they can make a contest, and you have elite small forwards. So between an aging buddy, and injury prone Reid and Daniher, at least one should be on the park each week.

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                        • Markwebbos
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          Originally posted by barry
                          I dont think he could. Lets all assume we are getting Daniher next year because he's going to be dirt cheap and we'll risk the injury status.

                          Papley is a player you can build a forward line around. We should hold on to him at all costs.
                          Brisbane have built a forward line around Charlie Cameron, with so-so talls like Hipwood. You can get away without the best talls if they can make a contest, and you have elite small forwards. So between an aging buddy, and injury prone Reid and Daniher, at least one should be on the park each week.
                          Barry, I think Ludwig may be proposing McKay instead of Daniher, so let’s not assume that.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Originally posted by Markwebbos
                            Out of interest, how do you see McKay helping us?
                            Long-term replacement for Buddy and can also take his turn in the ruck. We can forget about Joe Daniher.

                            I would also like to add that in a previous post I mentioned that Zac Fisher, a good young small forward, wasn't playing for Carlton. I noticed that Fisher is one of their emergencies for today's game. I still can't understand why Carlton would want Papley all that much, when Fisher, who has been a regular in the side and played 21 games last year, can't make the team.

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                            • Markwebbos
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 7186

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              Long-term replacement for Buddy and can also take his turn in the ruck. We can forget about Joe Daniher.

                              I would also like to add that in a previous post I mentioned that Zac Fisher, a good young small forward, wasn't playing for Carlton. I noticed that Fisher is one of their emergencies for today's game. I still can't understand why Carlton would want Papley all that much, when Fisher, who has been a regular in the side and played 21 games last year, can't make the team.
                              He’s not a massive goal kicker though unlike Buddy / Daniher

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Originally posted by Markwebbos
                                He’s not a massive goal kicker though unlike Buddy / Daniher
                                I don't think Carlton would do that trade, even if both players agreed to a trade.

                                McKay is still only 22yo and coming into his own as a forward. I think he's capable of being a big goal kicker. No one is likely to be in Buddy's category. We may be entering a time when tall forwards are not racking up the numbers they once did. That trend is well established already.

                                I'm also trying to establish what Papley's value might be, especially if we don't want draft picks, which we really don't need.

                                I don't want to trade Papley, but a forward/ruck is the one position we could use, and at 204cm, McKay is a ruckman sized player.

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