2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[giant]

Agree but I don’t want us to chuck carlton like cash at him. And that’s what he’s after.


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360 crew speculated that Carlton might be spending upwards of $1.7M on Saad and Williams - that's a helluva lot of money to be spending on HBFs even if they are bloody good ones. If you were Jake Lloyd's manager, you might feel inclined to test the market.

[bloodspirit]

360 crew speculated that Carlton might be spending upwards of $1.7M on Saad and Williams.

$1.7M p.a.?

[bloodspirit]

You can't be serious that you are happy about the circumstances of this year shaking up the AFL organisation. Plenty of people in the organisation, including clubs, have and will find themselves out of a job. Every clubs finances have been seriously impacted to the degree that some clubs viability will be seriously threatened over the coming few years. I can understand your frustration at some decisions from the top that has impacted our club but please have a broader perspective.

I met someone from the Swans the other day and asked about the impact of Covid-19. They were fortunate to be relatively less impacted personally but said that our non footy staff have been effectively reduced from 70 odd to 40 odd, and also cuts in pay and hours. The other interesting thing they said was that the club is having a massive clear out and restructure and using the opportunity to change things that were perhaps outdated but nobody was game to change. So there are some positives emerging by the sounds of it.

[MattW]

Hickey is a hick... he is NOT an improvement on Sinclair. A very average rick at best. I can only think that the Swans would consider drafting him if he is cheap. Otherwise Swans please don't bother. He is very average at best and would much prefer Sydney target someone else at who is younger and has more upside than Hickey. SURELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've not paid much attention to Hickey.

He has an incredibly similar career stat-line to Sinclair. https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...&fid2=C&type=A

Although ruckman stats are always a bit tricky to parse, given you don't know if they were rucking alone or not. One thing that does stand out is that Hickey seems to have demonstrably more clearances, and checking out his video on the AFL site, seems to be a bit more agile at ground level.

I suspect Hickey would be back-up, with Sinclair, behind Naismith. If true, it looks like we might give Sam another crack at it, but just have an additional specialist ruckman behind him heading into Sinclair's last year. We don't really have much collateral to go after an elite ruckman.

[Markwebbos]

I met someone from the Swans the other day and asked about the impact of Covid-19. They were fortunate to be relatively less impacted personally but said that our non footy staff have been effectively reduced from 70 odd to 40 odd, and also cuts in pay and hours. The other interesting thing they said was that the club is having a massive clear out and restructure and using the opportunity to change things that were perhaps outdated but nobody was game to change. So there are some positives emerging by the sounds of it.

Does that include John Blakey and Steve Johnson I wonder?

[KTigers]

I met someone from the Swans the other day and asked about the impact of Covid-19. They were fortunate to be relatively less impacted personally but said that our non footy staff have been effectively reduced from 70 odd to 40 odd, and also cuts in pay and hours. The other interesting thing they said was that the club is having a massive clear out and restructure and using the opportunity to change things that were perhaps outdated but nobody was game to change. So there are some positives emerging by the sounds of it.

I would believe this. This will be happening in many businesses in the wider community.

[KSAS]

Heard whispers GWS are also interested in Tom Hickey based on Pruess may end up at Hawthorn, who apparently are also chasing him (remains in Melbourne as the carrot).

Also heard the reason Cameron hasn't re-signed with GWS as yet is that he's seeking a bigger contract than they're offering. Wants to stay in NSW. If we're to prize him out need to offer him bigger contract $$$$. Heard Tom Browne report last night that Geelong have ramped up their enquiries to his management recently.

[Legs Akimbo]

Fascinating observations being made about Saad leaving Essendon. Caro says there was a game where he was asked to play a negating role against Brisbane and refused. Now wants to leave the club. Lloyd in paper today saying the club needs a cultural review and everyone seems to be siding with Saad. If true and he pushed back on instructions on playing a role, i wouldn't want him at the club. The problem at Essendon seems to be that they are bunch of entitled individualistic players who want what is best for them and want the club to accommodate it. My observation is that the cultural rot is in the playing group not the club and that essendon should move on any players not vested in a team / club first ethic and use their draft picks to rebuild the playing group culture. If they don't do this they will be regretting it for years to come. I shudder to think of having such a culture at the swans.

[gloveski]

Fascinating observations being made about Saad leaving Essendon. Caro says there was a game where he was asked to play a negating role against Brisbane and refused. Now wants to leave the club. Lloyd in paper today saying the club needs a cultural review and everyone seems to be siding with Saad. If true and he pushed back on instructions on playing a role, i wouldn't want him at the club. The problem at Essendon seems to be that they are bunch of entitled individualistic players who want what is best for them and want the club to accommodate it. My observation is that the cultural rot is in the playing group not the club and that essendon should move on any players not vested in a team / club first ethic and use their draft picks to rebuild the playing group culture. If they don't do this they will be regretting it for years to come. I shudder to think of having such a culture at the swans.

Spot on McKenna done the same thing wanted to play in the forward line


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[Ralph Dawg]

I think it's unlikely we will get Cameron. He is holding out for more cash and the big boys in Melbourne all seen to have limitless buckets off gold and cap space. Last thing we need is to get into a bidding war.

As I've said before, my preference would be to find a forward who competes, runs hard, crashes packs and brings the ball to ground. In Papley, we have our own version of Charlie Cameron who is the Lions number one forward threat. A committed tall would elevate Papley to the next level, along with our other small / mediums. Of those available, I really like Brodie Mihocek. He fits the brief perfectly and wouldn't necessarily cost the earth (although we would have to deal with the Pies).

[Markwebbos]

Fascinating observations being made about Saad leaving Essendon. Caro says there was a game where he was asked to play a negating role against Brisbane and refused. Now wants to leave the club. Lloyd in paper today saying the club needs a cultural review and everyone seems to be siding with Saad. If true and he pushed back on instructions on playing a role, i wouldn't want him at the club. The problem at Essendon seems to be that they are bunch of entitled individualistic players who want what is best for them and want the club to accommodate it. My observation is that the cultural rot is in the playing group not the club and that essendon should move on any players not vested in a team / club first ethic and use their draft picks to rebuild the playing group culture. If they don't do this they will be regretting it for years to come. I shudder to think of having such a culture at the swans.

I’d heard he would prefer to be an attacking player rather than a lock down one, but not that he’d refused...

If true that sounds Polec at North, although the Bombers playing it much better from a trading POV.

Yes, one of the benefits of NOT being a Melbourne club is we have no Matthew Lloyd / Lyon etc constantly criticising the club in the media!

[gloveski]

I think it's unlikely we will get Cameron. He is holding out for more cash and the big boys in Melbourne all seen to have limitless buckets off gold and cap space. Last thing we need is to get into a bidding war.

As I've said before, my preference would be to find a forward who competes, runs hard, crashes packs and brings the ball to ground. In Papley, we have our own version of Charlie Cameron who is the Lions number one forward threat. A committed tall would elevate Papley to the next level, along with our other small / mediums. Of those available, I really like Brodie Mihocek. He fits the brief perfectly and wouldn't necessarily cost the earth (although we would have to deal with the Pies).

I really like Mihocek would prefer us to offer someone like him a significant pay upgrade than to sell the farm on someone like a Cameron . Victorian clubs do seem to have endless buckets of cash though


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[111431]

I think it's unlikely we will get Cameron. He is holding out for more cash and the big boys in Melbourne all seen to have limitless buckets off gold and cap space. Last thing we need is to get into a bidding war.

As I've said before, my preference would be to find a forward who competes, runs hard, crashes packs and brings the ball to ground. In Papley, we have our own version of Charlie Cameron who is the Lions number one forward threat. A committed tall would elevate Papley to the next level, along with our other small / mediums. Of those available, I really like Brodie Mihocek. He fits the brief perfectly and wouldn't necessarily cost the earth (although we would have to deal with the Pies).

best value for money forward in the comp and doesn't seem to like the injury room

[mattybloods]

Heard whispers GWS are also interested in Tom Hickey based on Pruess may end up at Hawthorn, who apparently are also chasing him (remains in Melbourne as the carrot).

If Preuss goes to Hawthorn he'll be behind Ceglar and McEvoy. I would be surprised by that move, then again he's made a bad trade decision in the past

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[MattW]

Heard whispers GWS are also interested in Tom Hickey based on Pruess may end up at Hawthorn, who apparently are also chasing him (remains in Melbourne as the carrot).

Also heard the reason Cameron hasn't re-signed with GWS as yet is that he's seeking a bigger contract than they're offering. Wants to stay in NSW. If we're to prize him out need to offer him bigger contract $$$$. Heard Tom Browne report last night that Geelong have ramped up their enquiries to his management recently.

If Preuss goes to Hawthorn he'll be behind Ceglar and McEvoy. I would be surprised by that move, then again he's made a bad trade decision in the past

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McEvoy has been moved to defence hasn't he? Either way, Preuss doesn't strike me as a particularly bright bloke, and I hope we don't get him.

As for Mihocek: he's said he wants to stay and McGuire has said they want him to stay, so I'm sure they'll find a way.