2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
    Yes, pick 3: assuming that he takes a pay cut, and that he's willing to put up with feral Pies fans, for the next five years or so.
    If we take Brodie Grundy it would be a salary dump by the Pies, which means either (a) they pay a chunk of his wage or (b) we get him for a much lower pick e.g. second rounder.

    I posted an article a while back suggesting that the Pies have totally stuffed up with Grundy’s contract (they have) and should try and get themselves out of trouble by trading him to a sucker club, who pick up his ludicrous contract.

    Sam Hayes seems like a much better option.

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      As an aside, SEN is reporting that early discussions between Brisbane and the Dodo about Joe Daniher are "far from smooth"

      Early Daniher discussions far from smooth between Bombers and Lions

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        As an aside, SEN is reporting that early discussions between Brisbane and the Dodo about Joe Daniher are "far from smooth"

        Early Daniher discussions far from smooth between Bombers and Lions
        He's coming to us in the pre-season draft, I tells ya!

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        • KTigers
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2012
          • 2499

          Originally posted by Markwebbos
          As an aside, SEN is reporting that early discussions between Brisbane and the Dodo about Joe Daniher are "far from smooth"

          Early Daniher discussions far from smooth between Bombers and Lions
          Why would they be? Joe will want a lot of money and the understanding that he will only play if he has
          nothing else on that day. It it wasn't for Covid he'd be wandering around Chelsea in New York sampling
          single-origin coffees from Ecuador with Jobe Watson right now.
          Last edited by KTigers; 15 October 2020, 12:03 PM.

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          • The Runner
            Regular in the Side
            • May 2017
            • 718

            Originally posted by TheBloods
            What are the odds we don't match any bid for Braeden Campbell ? Likely to go in the 6 to 10 range, which is better than a bid coming before our pick 3. But what if we still think a top 10 is too high for him and we arent willing to sacrifice the picks and the points that could be used on trading instead ?? Do people think this could be a likely outcome or are the club that invested in this kid .
            Always get the best player possible in any trade or draft pick. What you're essentially saying is, do we value Campbell or 2 later draft picks. Always go the better option. Take Campbell.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Originally posted by barry
              He's coming to us in the pre-season draft, I tells ya!
              Wow. Another big call.

              Hang in there Barry. If you turn out to be right, you'll be an unassailable prophet for years.

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              • Auntie.Gerald
                Veterans List
                • Oct 2009
                • 6480

                "If the Lions can get Daniher across the line it would be the fourth straight off-season they have traded in (or accrued via free agency) a non-Queenslander. A mix of personnel, climate, coaches, players and environment have been credited for the change in dynamic which has thrust Brisbane into premiership contention."

                i wonder if we will switch gears also ?
                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                  He's pleaded guilty.
                  I assume that there's a provision in AFL contracts, that allows a club to delist a play who commits a jailable offence. I mean, I can't recall any company, being forced to continue to employ someone, while they serve their time. If he doesn't get a prison sentence, I still think that we should delist him. Otherwise the club's stated commitment to values, will sound just like empty corporate PR blather.
                  It's baffling that after so many years no one has ever provided a copy of an actual player contract or even a pro forma contract. Where are the AFL leakers and whistleblowers? What are those thousands of sports journalists doing all day?

                  With image being so important to the AFL, I would think that there would be termination provisions for a level of misconduct that almost certainly would include the commission of a felony.

                  I don't think the Swans want to publicize an ET termination. Why would we highlight a player welfare issue at a time when we are likely negotiating to recruit players from other clubs? We're not even doing delistings right now. We will probably wait until after the end of the season when it's buried under other trade and delisting news.

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    Originally posted by Markwebbos
                    As an aside, SEN is reporting that early discussions between Brisbane and the Dodo about Joe Daniher are "far from smooth"
                    Well what a surprise! Dodo has to try and save face after rejecting pick 9 & this years now pick 3. Suffer Dodo, PSD to us is always a fall back position for JD

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                    • Mr Magoo
                      Senior Player
                      • May 2008
                      • 1255

                      Originally posted by The Runner
                      Always get the best player possible in any trade or draft pick. What you're essentially saying is, do we value Campbell or 2 later draft picks. Always go the better option. Take Campbell.
                      Campbells a lock no matter what happens

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                      • Markwebbos
                        Veterans List
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 7186

                        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                        "If the Lions can get Daniher across the line it would be the fourth straight off-season they have traded in (or accrued via free agency) a non-Queenslander. A mix of personnel, climate, coaches, players and environment have been credited for the change in dynamic which has thrust Brisbane into premiership contention."

                        i wonder if we will switch gears also ?
                        I have a hope (more likely fantasy) that the Swans made a strategic decision when they chose mid-season to offload Rohan and Hanners. That decision was to rebuild via the draft and (this is the bit I'm secretly hoping) and to use the extra $ they saved to front load player contracts (including potentially Buddy's). We should now be entering the last year of the plan. By the end of season 2021 we will finally have enough youth (including the 2 academy boys), improved our ladder position, and freed up cap space, to enable us to go after ready made players at other clubs.

                        I think this year is still too soon for us to be "switching gears"

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          We can't front load Buddy's contract, it hasto be paid exactly as it was in the contract offer we made. This applies to every RFA contract.

                          Next year Buddy is on $1.5 mill (unless it's reduced by the across the league reductions proposed), in 2022 Buddy is only on $1 mill.

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                          • Auntie.Gerald
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 6480

                            Hey Mark

                            my gut feeling is that we can "walk and chew gum" re providing our list the best opportunity to evolve.....

                            ie if the exact type of experienced AFL level player (that we require) becomes available, we will no doubt consider our trade currency even if that means like other clubs using some of next years

                            This was fairly clear within our strategy with JD last season
                            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                            • Melbourne_Blood
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2010
                              • 3312

                              Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                              Hey Mark

                              my gut feeling is that we can "walk and chew gum" re providing our list the best opportunity to evolve.....

                              ie if the exact type of experienced AFL level player (that we require) becomes available, we will no doubt consider our trade currency even if that means like other clubs using some of next years

                              This was fairly clear within our strategy with JD last season
                              I agree. The idea we can not afford to go after a player this year but we can next year ignores the fact that we can structure the contract in a way to make it work for us ( ie back ending it eg Buddy). If the opportunity presents itself this year then we should go for it. It could only speed up our potential to rise up the ladder.


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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                The point I was trying to make is that: I suspect we are not in that strong a position to recruit ready made players this year due to (1) buddy's contract (2) ladder position, to which I'll add (3) draft picks (although we could use pick 3). I'm not saying we won't be going after players this year (we allegedly have with JD), more that we'll be in a much better position this time next year.

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