2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[707]

Twomey's latest Phantom Draft has landed at AFL.com.

Has Campbell at pick 8 which is about the mark, that is also one of the picks Dodo will be wielding, expect him to do so!

Gulden at 22 which is a bit high for our liking, not on ability but on points cost, slipping a few placings into early second round would be nice.

Hoping Collingwoods Reef McInnes gets bid on before their second first rounder at pick 19, would just complete a shocking trade period for the Pies :-)

[barry]

Does anyone here listen to the Junk Time AFL podcast?
Their latest episode has special guest Craig Coombes (recruiter). Around the 22 minute mark, he said, hypothetically, something along the lines of the AFL has had such a @@@@ty year with all the COVID breaches they didn't want another have to fine a club for salary cap breaches. So a certain club was told to fix their problem or the AFL would have to step in, allegedly.

That would be an absolute disgrace if that were true.
I dont want to believe it, but with this administration I cant help myself.

[Ludwig]

Elihah Hollands was interviewed on SEN by Garry Lyon. Sounds like a great kid. He's training close to top speed on his straight line running, so is on track with his ACL recovery. Wouldn't mind if he's the one. Happy with any of the top 3 rated prospects.

[wolftone57]

I have been looking at the Crows and Norf's lists and they are definitely different.

Crows

The Crows have 5 key defenders and 4 key forwards without Walker. They lost Crouch but will probably pick up Hately in the preseason draft. But their major problem last season was their inability to win around the stoppages even with a ruckman who basically pushed the ball down their throats. They need mid talent more than a key position player so they may just go for one of the mids in the top 5 picks. Tilthorpe is not ncssarily going to the Crows. He may go there or they may opt to take Hollands or Phillips.

Norf

North on the other hand lack key forwards. I think they will probably pick McDonald. He has form, is injury free and is ready made for seniors.

So we are still in with a shot at Tilthorpe. Granger-Barras would also be a good pick. But key defenders are not as needed as key forwards at this time. People keep talking about our problems in the midfield but I believe some of those will be overcome with a decent ruckman. It was obvious the influence Naismith has on a game in the few games he played last season. When he went down so did we. But I believe with the addition of Campbell and Gulden our mid problems will not as bad as some believe. I am also in favour of moving Rampe into the mids. Playing Heeney out of the goal square and pinch hitting in the mids when there is a need for a fresh look. I'd have Buddy, if he gets on the park which is doubtful, playing up the ground at HF or wing. I would have Heeney as the leading Full Forward in the Modra/Dunstall tradition and have Hayward as the player who stays closer to goal. This is why Hayward was so dangerous in the junior grades, he stayed close to goal and was one out against his opponent. There are not too many who will beat this bloke one on one. The tall forward, whoever they may be, will play the Centre Half Forward role.

Personally, I hope we get Tilthorpe. I don't think there is any hope of gettong McDonnald as Norf will be all over that one. We might just take another Academy kid as either a Rookie or with the last pick or with our last pick we might opt for a green ruck prospect. We need to look at drafting ruckmen soon. Next year might be better though.

[The Runner]

I have been looking at the Crows and Norf's lists and they are definitely different.

Crows

The Crows have 5 key defenders and 4 key forwards without Walker. They lost Crouch but will probably pick up Hately in the preseason draft. But their major problem last season was their inability to win around the stoppages erven with a ruckman who basically pushed the ball down their throats. They need mid talent more than a key position player so they may just go for one of the mids in th top 5 picks. Tilthorpe is not ncssarily going to th Crows. He may go there or they may opt to take Hollands or Phillips.

Norf

North on the other hand lack key forwards. I think thy will probably pick McDonald. He has form, is injury free and is ready made for seniors.

So we are still in with a shot at Tilthorpe. Granger-Barras would also be a good pick. But key defenders are not as needed as key forwards at this time. People keep talking about our problems in the midfield but I believe some of those will be overcome with a decent ruckman. It was obvious the influence Naismith has on a game in the few games he played last season. When he went down so did we. But I believe with the addition of Campbell and Gulden our mid problems will not as bad as some believe. I am also in favour of moving Rampe into the mids. Playing Heeney out of the goal square and pinch hitting in the mids when there is a need for a fresh look. I'd have Buddy, if he gets on the park which is doubtful, playing up the ground at HF or wing. I would have Heeney as the leading Full Forward in the Modra/Dunstall tradition and have Hayward as the player who stays closer to goal. This is why Hayward was so dangerous in the junior grades, he stayed close to goal and was one out against his opponent. There are not too many who will beat this bloke one on one. The tall forward, whoever they may be, will play the Centre Half Forward role.

Personally, I hope we get Tilthorpe. I don't think there is any hope of gettong McDonnald as Norf will be all over that one. We might just take another Academy kid as either a Rookie or with the last pick or with our last pick we might opt for a green ruck prospect. We need to look at drafting ruckmen soon. Next year might be better though.

Whether we use a pick after Gulden would likely be down to points used on him, and overall list spots. At this stage, I think it's more likely that we just use the 3 picks at the national draft, then a couple at the pre season draft.
To be able to rookie McCartin, do we need to use the PSD or can we sign as a DFA to a rookie contract?

[Markwebbos]

I'd be happy with either of Macdonald or Hollands, not convinced by Thilthorpe, or the idea of drafting a ruckman at pick 3. I wonder if we think DGB could be converted into a forward?

Interesting analysis of the Crows and North, wolftone, particularly the idea that the Crows might not take a tall with their pick 1. It would be great if they took a mid (other than Hollands). I worry about the Giants and Bombers having a crack at North's pick 2. Bombers would definitely be interested in a forward. Giants knowing them will draft another inside mid and then lose them in two years.

I also think there will be a lot of spare draft picks floating around which should make it relatively easy for us to (a) get more points (b) take a fourth player in the draft - such as Henry Walsh, if we have the spots.

[111431]

[QUOTE=Markwebbos;807552]I'd be happy with either of Macdonald or Hollands, not convinced by Thilthorpe, or the idea of drafting a ruckman at pick 3. I wonder if we think DGB could be converted into a forward?

I'm pretty sure Aaron Naughton at the Doggies was drafted as a KPD. He looks like he's going to do well as a KPF

[longmile]

Not sure why there's talk of us being interested in taking KGB with pick 3 when he's more likely to be worth a pick 5-7 as we have an abundance of KPDas with McCartin finding his feet down back.

Also I think our midfield is looking good in the next few years, especially with Campbell and gulden to come in and I reflect everyones thoughts that you don't draft a ruckman with pick 3.

I think we should go after a KPF with reid, Sinclair and buddy all on the wrong side of the hill age wise and Blakey looking more at home as a midfielder

[Auntie.Gerald]

Campbell could be like Stephens was for us

ie a pick that no one else suspected would be taken at pick 5 ........ but Campbell is required for very specific needs at the club recruiting

[Captain]

I like the look of Thilthorpe. Reckon we should definitely take him if he is still around. If not then go with Hollands.

[AB Swannie]

Not sure why there's talk of us being interested in taking KGB with pick 3 when he's more likely to be worth a pick 5-7 as we have an abundance of KPDas with McCartin finding his feet down back.

Every year, the draft watchers try to predict who Sydney will take and they haven’t guessed right for a while. Last year, they all had us taking Flanders. Stephens was not on their radar for us.

They might get it right this year with DGB but it will be nothing more than a guess.

[Ludwig]

Cal Twomey had us taking Sam Flanders, as did many others. Stephens was rated pick 9. It was really not that far off the mark. Maybe personality swayed the Swans to take Stephens instead of Flanders. I wouldn't say it was a left field pick.

We've already mooted that we are in the market for a key forward, so McDonald and Thilthorpe would be top of the list. After that, it's not clear, but Hollands looks to be the best player that would be available. He can play forward, but is undersized for a key forward. Like Richmond before Lynch, it's possible to have a very potent forward line with only one key forward, and a lot of other shorter options. I think we can do the same.

There's always next year's draft to hone in on a key forward, if we don't land one this year.

If we don't draft a key forward, we give McLean and Amartey another year, hopefully playing competitive football, to show if they can develop into AFL level forwards. I would say they're both 50-50 shots. So maybe one will make it. Maybe we won't need a key forward after all.

[wolftone57]

Whether we use a pick after Gulden would likely be down to points used on him, and overall list spots. At this stage, I think it's more likely that we just use the 3 picks at the national draft, then a couple at the pre season draft.
To be able to rookie McCartin, do we need to use the PSD or can we sign as a DFA to a rookie contract?

We have a pick after Gulden that has no points attached. If we are using a future pick then that stays I think???

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[Thunder Shaker]

I'd be happy with either of Macdonald or Hollands, not convinced by Thilthorpe, or the idea of drafting a ruckman at pick 3. I wonder if we think DGB could be converted into a forward?

Thilthorpe is actually a KPF, not a ruck. He can play in the ruck as well, but that's not his primary position. He can also play like a very tall midfielder.

If a club is trying to decide to draft a midfielder or a tall, Thilthorpe would be a good choice because he's a bit of both.

[Captain]

Thilthorpe is actually a KPF, not a ruck. He can play in the ruck as well, but that's not his primary position. He can also play like a very tall midfielder.

If a club is trying to decide to draft a midfielder or a tall, Thilthorpe would be a good choice because he's a bit of both.

I know midfielders are getting bigger, not sure if there are many 200cm + ones running around though...