2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

I find it hard to believe from the article on Fox that we are only offering Parker 2 years at 500K. 2 years perhaps, but only 500K??? Surely that would be a significant pay cut compared to what he would be on now.

Which article says $500k?

[Aprilbr]

If that is true we cannot blame him if he leaves. That's criminally low for a player of his calibre.

[Ludwig]

What will happen to their house if Luke goes to another town?

https://www.caesarstone.com.au/csa-home-tours/inside-kate-lawrence-luke-parker-s-latest-project

[Markwebbos]

Surely Caesarstone can find an extra $400k to chuck Luke’s way?

Outside the cap and perfectly legal, obviously.

[Ludwig]

I find it hard to believe from the article on Fox that we are only offering Parker 2 years at 500K. 2 years perhaps, but only 500K??? Surely that would be a significant pay cut compared to what he would be on now.

Parker would probably be getting paid less than Lewis Melican.

Barry must have been Tom Harley's maths teacher at school.

I think players will have to accept that there's going to be an across the board pay scale drop because of the Covid induced losses. The players coming out of contract this year will be the first to feel the brunt of the new footy world order. I can understand how they feel hard done by. It's just bad timing. A lot of people are suffering financially because of the pandemic and clearly, sport entertainment has taken a big hit. This will have follow on effects for at least a few more years, depending on the timing of an economic recovery in football.

The socialist way of handling this would be for all the contracted players earning over a certain amount to take a voluntary pay cut so their mates at the club who are out of contract don't have to take the full force of the hit. But I can't see that happening, although it's always been rumoured that this is what Geelong did to keep their high priced players at the club.

There are lots of inequities in player compensation, much caused by timing and the whims of some clubs to chase certain players regardless of cost.

Parker and Hewett have to accept that times have changed, the music has stopped, and they've been caught without a chair. It doesn't look to be an easy solution out of this one.

[barry]

Parker would probably be getting paid less than Lewis Melican.

Barry must have been Tom Harley's maths teacher at school.

Tom never listened. To busy bouncing a footy down the corridor.

If we offer Parks $500k, and he wants $700k, then surely, all we have to do is delist someone who is on $200k. Simple.
I'll call Tom.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I find it hard to believe from the article on Fox that we are only offering Parker 2 years at 500K. 2 years perhaps, but only 500K??? Surely that would be a significant pay cut compared to what he would be on now.

That's a rumour someone started on bigfooty, that Tom Morris has picked up and gone with.

Lord, the Melbourne footy media is truly dreadful.

Like, I accept we have some cap challenges, but the idea the club would propose that as a starting point is hysterical.

[Ludwig]

Sometimes the club wants to do something that they know won't go down well in Swansworld, so they create a narrative through rumour and leaks to fit the story that they want to go out to the public. The narrative is more palatable than the real story. (Think of the 9/11 Official Story). Eventually, most people accept the concocted story as being fact.

The Tom Mitchell trade is one of those stories. The Swans wanted to unload Mitchell to kick off a change in game style. The team had a lot of good players, but most of the top midfielders were too slow. So the official story was that the Swans didn't have enough money to satisfy Mitchell's contract requirements.

I think the Joe Daniher non-trade is another official story that kept us from signing a player we didn't want as well as keeping Papley, without insulting anyone or breaking important relationships.

It appears that we have another one this year. The club wants to unload certain players. I'm sure there is salary cap pressure, but it will be drilled into the media that it's so bad that some players that many fans have become emotionally attached to will have to be let got, despite all the efforts the club will make to retain them. The offers the club makes will be 'insulting' to the players involved, but the club's hands are tied, so the players will be forced to look for employment elsewhere.

The full story can only be put together once all the deals are done and the final result is known. Then we can look back and fill in the blanks.

[Maltopia]

Tom never listened. To busy bouncing a footy down the corridor.

If we offer Parks $500k, and he wants $700k, then surely, all we have to do is delist someone who is on $200k. Simple.
I'll call Tom.

We need to offload someone on $300K as we have to replace the offloaded player with a player on minimum salary due to list size rules.

[Ludwig]

We need to offload someone on $300K as we have to replace the offloaded player with a player on minimum salary due to list size rules.

We can reduce the list by up to 1 primary and 3 rookie players, net. That would take us from 44 down to 36 + 4 = 40, which is the minimum.

[sprite]

I located an article by Jake Niall written in March this year outlining which clubs were impacted by the AFL 9% cut due to Covid.

This is a quick look at cap space prepared by Jake:

Salary cap space after 2021

HAVES (with room): Essendon, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Adelaide, Port Adelaide.

HAVE-NOTS: Richmond, West Coast, Collingwood, Melbourne, Fremantle, Geelong, Gold Coast, Greater Western Sydney.

SOME WRIGGLE ROOM: Carlton, Western Bulldogs, Brisbane Lions.

UNCLEAR: St Kilda, Sydney

Player payments, including ASAs, are $13,165,950 in 2021, a cut of 9 per cent due to the pandemic. Player payments for 2022 are slated to be $14,769,322 if there are no cuts. All subject to the current contracts and without factoring in recruiting at season’s end or re-negotiations.

It indicates that not a lot is known about our situation, maybe we are waiting on an announcement before we can fully commit to re-signing players.

Ludwig may well be on money with his summation of what's happening behind closed doors at Sydney.

If the AFL doesn't re-instate the cut (to me it seems unlikely given where we are now), a number of other clubs will be in the same boat as us, so it will be interesting to see who is going to able to afford to pick up big names. Looking at the list of clubs with some cap space, then only two give you a chance of finals in the immediate future.

The unknown even with these clubs is how much do the actually have to spend?

[Maltopia]

I located an article by Jake Niall written in March this year outlining which clubs were impacted by the AFL 9% cut due to Covid.

Player payments, including ASAs, are $13,165,950 in 2021, a cut of 9 per cent due to the pandemic. Player payments for 2022 are slated to be $14,769,322 if there are no cuts. All subject to the current contracts and without factoring in recruiting at season’s end or re-negotiations.

It indicates that not a lot is known about our situation, maybe we are waiting on an announcement before we can fully commit to re-signing players.

Ok, anyone want to play a game of estimating the salaries of each member of our current squad up to $14.77 million assuming we kept every player and have replaced the three lowest paid players with three draftees on minimum salary?

Assume Henry on 900K, that Dawson stays on for $650K, Hewitt for $500K etc?

[i'm-uninformed2]

There is also the wrinkle the AFL created for us. Every single contract in the league could be tweaked due to the COVID cuts. The one exemption: Franklin. They refused to let us touch it at all because they are evil turds.

So we had to back end some others more to accommodate that.

[snajik]

I don't have a problem with tattoos per se, but players that are covered in tattoos can most likely take a pay hit. Any additional income they earn is most likely going to go directly to their friendly neighbourhood tattooist. Instead this money could be used by clubs to retain players on their list that they can't afford to lose. In the pre-covid era there would have been a tattoo scrutineer keeping tabs on those players deemed to be going a little overboard at the inkwell.

[waswan]

Amazing how Port dont have a salary issue
Probably the young talent around