2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Aprilbr]

I hope you're correct, 707!

[bloodspirit]

Post season ramblings always remind me of in game commentary on RWO.
Nothing said by the club.
No one really knows what's going to happen next.
Outside commentators full of it, forecasts and all.
And lots of" It old you so's "after the event.
Fun to watch.

My thoughts exactly - especially the comparison to the game threads. So much hysteria! So little factual basis.

FWIW, I recall reading about a week ago that we had deferred our exit interviews until early this week. On this basis I am expecting news about delistings some time in the next few days and hopefully word that Dawson and Parker have re-signed by the weekend.

The goss is all that Dawson knocked back a 4 year deal and only wanted a 2 year deal to take him to the edge of free agency (no doubt on the advice of his agent) and that it's all but announced.

I'll also be pretty surprised if we lose Parker. I just can't see it happening. Doesn't make sense for player or club.

Only if we lose Dawson or Parker without a compelling explanation (and "we just don't have enough cap space" won't cut it) am I going to come out and start knocking our list managers. I think KB and his team do a pretty good job. I'd much rather have our guys than most other teams' list managers - although there are some other teams that have done really well. We also have to contend with a different set of circumstances compared to other teams including it being a non-footy market (which works both ways) and the high cost of living.

Incidentally, for those lamenting the loss of COLA, they did introduce a lesser rental assistance supplement for less well paid players at the Sydney clubs that is paid by the AFL that we never hear about. Earlier this year our Chairman Andrew Pridham was on the front foot asking similar concessions be made for coaching and other staff in the soft cap. I don't know what became of that.

[sharp9]

What do you think about the other names i said , think i listed about 15 names there or did no one see them

And im the one whose obsessed

No we’re not obsessed - the other names don’t require comment as they are completely rational positions to take. Suggesting that Rowbottom should be delisted is not rational. It is the statement of someone who is either a) unhinged or b) a delinquent who is deliberately trying to upset people and destroy the vibe on this forum. Please, please, please stop doing it

[mcs]

I heard Tom Petroro (one of the player agents) interviewed yesterday. Apparently, the pay cut players took last year has to be absorbed in this year's salary cap. He mentioned a figure of approx $700K on average per club. The impact of that, plus the unknown salary cap figure, must make it difficult for the clubs to be planning their player contracts for the future. I wouldn't be panicking about our situation just yet.

I understand it was a little more complex I think than Tom suggested but broadly correct.

All players took I think it was around a 3.5% haircut originally which accounted for a reasonable part of the original cut in the salary cap cut. But the overall cut (in a % terms) was beyond that per say of course. A few clubs asked players to take an additional cut to manage the impact, but most clubs have tried to absorb it per say. We were not one of the clubs that asked players to take more of it - so hence I think we are in that situation of really needing to know what the cap will be before we make the final tough calls.

[bloodspirit]

Incidentally, it was nice to see the Suns made a good drafting decision (there have been way too many misses) - Wil Powell who was a shock pick 19 in 2017 (Bolt from the blue: Suns' shock pick at 19 (afl.com.au)) has come second in their B&F this year behind Touk Miller: Gun Sun Touk Miller rewarded for record-breaking season with maiden B&F (afl.com.au).

[Jimitron5000]

If the clubs don't know what the salary cap is, how on earth can they set about planning for the future? More rubbish from the AFL, but I wouldn't expect anything less.
I am hoping this is the reason for the delay on the Parker and Dawson contracts in particular.

If we do lose a couple of players, I would suggest they will be Hewitt and Reid. Reid to be replaced from within (Amartey) and unsure of Hewitt's replacement, although Charlie Constable can play a similar role and would be quite a bit cheaper.

[Nico]

If the clubs don't know what the salary cap is, how on earth can they set about planning for the future? More rubbish from the AFL, but I wouldn't expect anything less.
I am hoping this is the reason for the delay on the Parker and Dawson contracts in particular.

If we do lose a couple of players, I would suggest they will be Hewitt and Reid. Reid to be replaced from within (Amartey) and unsure of Hewitt's replacement, although Charlie Constable can play a similar role and would be quite a bit cheaper.

Not having a go at you Jimi but what is so special about Charlie Constable? He gets a fair run on RWO but can't get a game with the Handbaggers.

[sprite]

If the clubs don't know what the salary cap is, how on earth can they set about planning for the future? More rubbish from the AFL, but I wouldn't expect anything less.
I am hoping this is the reason for the delay on the Parker and Dawson contracts in particular.

Jimmy I think you should give the AFL a break, remember the AFL took a financial hit last year and had to borrow against Marvel stadium to keep the season going. In addition they had a reduction in media revenue as well which added to their costs.

They managed to get a season completed, that included moving teams around the country to keep one step ahead of lockdowns, pretty sure that is not cheap and adds to the costs.

They are probably in negotiations for the broadcast rights atm to get an idea of their income stream so they can set the TPP. I'm hoping that they will be able to return the discounted payment plus some more in an upgraded deal. Until then we have to wait and see what unfolds, remember we aren't the only team impacted.

I might seem like an apologist for the AFL, but in these circumstances they have done a good job to complete a season.

[barry]

They have done a much better job this year than in 2020, when they paniced when NRL got their season going before them. Basing everything in one state (QLD) must have cost a fortune.
This year, appart from the Sydney teams, most have been able to stay at home, and fly-in, fly-out to games. Also they have preferenced the heartlands which means more fans can get to games. The final series fixturing has been first class so far.

[Jimitron5000]

Not having a go at you Jimi but what is so special about Charlie Constable? He gets a fair run on RWO but can't get a game with the Handbaggers.

I don't know there is anything particularly special about him at all, which is possibly why he isn't getting a game at Geelong. He is trying to break into a midfield that doesn't really change from week to week. I think he is the type of player that would do well if given an opportunity. He would offer us a big bodied inside midfielder which we won't have by the end of next season (assuming Hewitt goes and Kennedy retires).

[i'm-uninformed2]

So, most of the focus so far has been on the four uncontracted players - Parker, Dawson, Hewett and Stephens.

But one thing to watch for will be what happens to contracted players. Let's face it: contracts mean diddly squat these days. Players will demand to go places, and clubs will move players along if they think it can be done as part of a deal that helps strengthen their list.

So, for example, if the Swans felt moving Hayward along (who I'm just using as an example and I like as a player so not wanting this) could a) help them get something we need in return like access to a KPD, and/or b) give us the space to keep Parker and Dawson; it'd be done. Like that.

I don't think it's as simple as one of the four uncontracted players might get squeezed out. It's also a question of: does someone else?

[TheBloods]

We must re sign Parker , our midfield will be F d with out him

[Jimitron5000]

Jimmy I think you should give the AFL a break, remember the AFL took a financial hit last year and had to borrow against Marvel stadium to keep the season going. In addition they had a reduction in media revenue as well which added to their costs.

They managed to get a season completed, that included moving teams around the country to keep one step ahead of lockdowns, pretty sure that is not cheap and adds to the costs.

They are probably in negotiations for the broadcast rights atm to get an idea of their income stream so they can set the TPP. I'm hoping that they will be able to return the discounted payment plus some more in an upgraded deal. Until then we have to wait and see what unfolds, remember we aren't the only team impacted.

I might seem like an apologist for the AFL, but in these circumstances they have done a good job to complete a season.

Credit where it is due, they did get a season completed last year and look likely to do so this year. Shame we still aren't in it.

[Markwebbos]

So, most of the focus so far has been on the four uncontracted players - Parker, Dawson, Hewett and Stephens.

But one thing to watch for will be what happens to contracted players. Let's face it: contracts mean diddly squat these days. Players will demand to go places, and clubs will move players along if they think it can be done as part of a deal that helps strengthen their list.

So, for example, if the Swans felt moving Hayward along (who I'm just using as an example and I like as a player so not wanting this) could a) help them get something we need in return like access to a KPD, and/or b) give us the space to keep Parker and Dawson; it'd be done. Like that.

I don't think it's as simple as one of the four uncontracted players might get squeezed out. It's also a question of: does someone else?

Like AA for Hickey last year

[i'm-uninformed2]

Like AA for Hickey last year

Exactly.