2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[mcs]

i think from what I have seen Ling has the skills like Dawson did in his first few year in ressies etc

Dawson had to build the tank and defensive game and the extra time in a lower pressure env like Ressies and match sim helped tremendously

No doubt Ling maybe encountering a similar trajectory of development

Ling is extremely crafty and quick off the mark

I would keep him if he is up for the challenge at the right price

To be honest, I don't think he has shown anywhere the level of composure or class that Dawson did in his time in the reserves.

Even with a decent run without injury this year he was hardly setting the world alight - the kid has some good attributes (obviously - you don't take someone so highly in the draft if they don't), but it would not suprise me if he isn't kept on (the question I guess with a player like that is whether they are seen as worth perservering with to hope that it all 'clicks', or do you find some other young player to take a punt on.

[Markwebbos]

There’s no way we’ll be losing Dawson. It’s just a question of what it costs us to keep him.

I’m hoping that the #Hewett-HumanSacrifice is enough fir the other deals to get done.

[Bangalore Swans]

What does he have to gain? Keeping a job, which is no care and no responsibility, in which he gets to big note himself by pretending to be 'in the know', and his mummy gets to see him on TV and be proud of her son for 'having made it'.

That’s a bit disrespectful towards Sam.

I’m sure some of his information is drip fed to him by managers with self interested clients.

In any event Sam gives us all on Red and White something to talk about, debate and theorise on. Without people like Sam, this particular thread would be an extension of the Swans PR department.

[AB Swannie]

I wonder if Luke getting something like the deal he had been seeking all along means that they have decided to allow someone else to go elsewhere thus enabling them to find the additional cap money? Another possibility is that someone else has re-negotiated their existing contract to free up some cap space for the next year or two?

Why do you automatically think that the Swans gave up more? Isn't it just as possible that Luke and his management agreed to an offer that was on the table for a while? The point is, we have no idea what has happened and so I would be hesitant to make assumptions that this deal affects another signing or existing contract.

[mcs]

That’s a bit disrespectful towards Sam.

I’m sure some of his information is drip fed to him by managers with self interested clients.

In any event Sam gives us all on Red and White something to talk about, debate and theorise on. Without people like Sam, this particular thread would be an extension of the Swans PR department.

You truly are the 'defender of last resort' on RWO Bangalore

Edmund does his job, whatever that is, and someone is (in my opinion only) willing to pay him to do that.

That however does not mean that more often than not he isn't full of complete @@@@!

[Bangalore Swans]

Why do you automatically think that the Swans gave up more? Isn't it just as possible that Luke and his management agreed to an offer that was on the table for a while? The point is, we have no idea what has happened and so I would be hesitant to make assumptions that this deal affects another signing or existing contract.

I think the Swans sharpened their pencil. Particularly after the Neale news and the prospect of Brisbane having the available money to easily replace Neale with Parker (a similar age, position and credentialed player).

[i'm-uninformed2]

That’s a bit disrespectful towards Sam.

I’m sure some of his information is drip fed to him by managers with self interested clients.

In any event Sam gives us all on Red and White something to talk about, debate and theorise on. Without people like Sam, this particular thread would be an extension of the Swans PR department.

Mine was directed at Tom Morris, for the reasons outlined above.

And by the way, whomever the journo is, if you are being fed stuff by a player manager, understand they have motives. Not saying ignore them completely, but put what they tell you in the context of the media being used as a lever in contract negotiations, and the player manager having a big, personal financial incentive. And particularly if a player manager feeds you crap like 'only two years for Parker', know that you should instantly delete them from your phone as a contact.

You wait, having peddled that crap for weeks, Tom will now go on air and claim Parker forced the club's hand, they folded blah blah blah because he needs to stick to the premise that even though what he said was never going to be true it somehow kind of was.

[Bangalore Swans]

You truly are the 'defender of last resort' on RWO Bangalore

Edmund does his job, whatever that is, and someone is (in my opinion only) willing to pay him to do that.

That however does not mean that more often than not he isn't full of complete @@@@!

Come on MCS. I know your preferred mode of communication is Swans related PR text message and emails.

I, like a few others enjoy some gossip, some speculation and some intrigue. Sam provides that.

I do like Tom Morris’s reporting.

I’m was dismayed to see Chris Scott having a go at Dr Peter Larkins who was always a favourite of mine.

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Mine was directed at Tom Morris, for the reasons outlined above.

And by the way, whomever the journo is, if you are being fed stuff by a player manager, understand they have motives. Not saying ignore them completely, but put what they tell you in the context of the media being used as a lever in contract negotiations, and the player manager having a big, personal financial incentive. And particularly if a player manager feeds you crap like 'only two years for Parker', know that you should instantly delete them from your phone as a contact.

You wait, having peddled that crap for weeks, Tom will now go on air and claim Parker forced the club's hand, they folded blah blah blah because he needs to stick to the premise that even though what he said was never going to be true it somehow kind of was.

Apologies. I thought you meant Sam.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I will say this: the Melbourne media get ALOT wrong about the Swans. It's partly a function of the club being very tight-lipped about inside baseball stuff (and they should be with things like contract negotiations), a little bit of distance, but it's also a function of a lot of them being lazy.

You see the difference between someone like Caroline Wilson, who takes the time to invest in relationships and trust with people at the Swans and understand sometimes complex things, and someone like Tom, who just scours bigfooty every morning for the latest 'tip' to run with.

[mcs]

Come on MCS. I know your preferred mode of communication is Swans related PR text message and emails.

I, like a few others enjoy some gossip, some speculation and some intrigue. Sam provides that.

I do like Tom Morris’s reporting.

I’m was dismayed to see Chris Scott having a go at Dr Peter Larkins who was always a favourite of mine.

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Apologies. I thought you meant Sam.

Lol Bangalore, I was taking the 'mickey'

To be honest however, I do think they are hopeless reporters that make most of their @@@@e up, but they do give us something to talk about and laugh about

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I will say this: the Melbourne media get ALOT wrong about the Swans. It's partly a function of the club being very tight-lipped about inside baseball stuff (and they should be with things like contract negotiations), a little bit of distance, but it's also a function of a lot of them being lazy.

You see the difference between someone like Caroline Wilson, who takes the time to invest in relationships and trust with people at the Swans and understand sometimes complex things, and someone like Tom, who just scours bigfooty every morning for the latest 'tip' to run with.

Yep - people should feel free to criticise Wilson all they want to (like any journo), but she gets a lot more things correct when reporting about the Swans than most other reporters.

[bloodspirit]

Well, that's a welcome re-signing. I wish it didn't have to take until now but I suspect this is the club following exactly the process it mapped out a long time ago. Something like: get through the season, do exit interviews, start re-signing players. Hopefully we get some calming the farm about Dawson now.

I suspect there were reasons from the club's end (more than from Parker's) that they didn't do this sooner. Whether to eke out a slightly more favourable deal, or see what the TPP was going to be, or getter clearer vision over which other players were staying and going and how much money they had to play with and what list needs there might be. Who knows whether they achieved a benefit from re-signing Parker now rather than 3 months ago. However, I do think our club is well run and mostly makes good decisions. The bad decisions are not necessarily due to incompetence.

I think the Swans and the Cats would be two of the best run clubs out there. Any other contenders? Richmond has done well the past few years. Otherwise mostly the basket cases stand out - Collingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn. Love that it's some of those big Vic clubs with obnoxious supporters.

Deja, thanks for your long post. It wasn't particularly controversial so I largely agreed with your analysis - except for Gould. I definitely think we want to keep him. We only lose him against our wishes and hopefully for a fair return.

[Nico]

Why do you automatically think that the Swans gave up more? Isn't it just as possible that Luke and his management agreed to an offer that was on the table for a while? The point is, we have no idea what has happened and so I would be hesitant to make assumptions that this deal affects another signing or existing contract.

I beg to disagree. We have to sign our priority players first before finalising getting other player deals done. Happens at every club, particularly due to the cap reduction. If we sign Dawson soon then we will see others follow. As you get down in the pecking order there is less of the pie to split up. We clearly saw Parker as the No.1 priority plus there is the PR side of the goings on. I hope we keep Hewett but he may already have been given an offer he can't refuse.

[AB Swannie]

I think the Swans sharpened their pencil. Particularly after the Neale news and the prospect of Brisbane having the available money to easily replace Neale with Parker (a similar age, position and credentialed player).

That is a possibility. However, it is just as much a possibility that this didn't happen. I actually agree with you and Aprilbr that the Swans probably gave up a bit more but I think it is more likely that they negotiated an extra year to make it 4-years guaranteed rather than to do with dollars for 2022 and 2023.

[bloodspirit]

Adelaide defender still unsigned for 2022 (sen.com.au)

Gerard Wheatley talking about trades with Sam Edmund.

Apparently 2 year offer in front of Wicks and 1 year deal in front of Ronke but they haven't signed yet.

Some analysis of the reasons we have a cap squeeze - Buddy's contract plus back-ended deals for Mills and Heeney.

Making a bit of fuss about the fact that Campbell and McDonald haven't had their contracts extended yet (even though they're in their first years).

Saying Hewett is going to Carlton with a high degree of confidence.

[mcs]

Adelaide defender still unsigned for 2022 (sen.com.au)

Gerard Wheatley talking about trades with Sam Edmund.

Apparently 2 year offer in front of Wicks and 1 year deal in front of Ronke but they haven't signed yet.

Some analysis of the reasons we have a cap squeeze - Buddy's contract plus back-ended deals for Mills and Heeney.

Making a bit of fuss about the fact that Campbell and McDonald haven't had their contracts extended yet (even though they're in their first years).

Saying Hewett is going to Carlton with a high degree of confidence.

I like Ronke, but surely the end of the road has been reached and he will be on the delistings list when it is eventually released. But I would of thought he will still be on pretty minimal money, so that might be part of it.

While I think McDonald will be a continual flight risk to some degree (wouldn't suprise me if we try and tie him down to a seriously long contract once the 'air has cleared' around COVID etc and some normality has returned), I think the club will be pretty comfortable around Campbell. It'll only be north and their latest 14 year, $2 billion contract that they offer to every good player at Sydney or GWS anyway.