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  • i'm-uninformed2
    Reefer Madness
    • Oct 2003
    • 4653

    Originally posted by waswan
    Amazing how Port dont have a salary issue
    Probably the young talent around
    Probably the cost of living. When you have to throw $20-50k extra on every contract to keep players ok with the cost of living in Sydney, you have a problem. Now, if only there was a solution to that.

    This is just your friendly reminder that Mike Fitzpatrick and Dill are some of the worst people alive. They are truly misrerable (insert something that would run afoul of the swear filter).
    'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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    • Auntie.Gerald
      Veterans List
      • Oct 2009
      • 6480

      Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

      I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

      With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

      hmmmmm trading counts alot
      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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      • i'm-uninformed2
        Reefer Madness
        • Oct 2003
        • 4653

        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
        Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

        I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

        With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

        hmmmmm trading counts alot
        And we would have had Callum Sinclair in the ruck, all year.

        God bless him. He battled hard for this club. A true clubman. But he was cooked.

        And that was the trade we made.
        'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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        • Ralph Dawg
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2018
          • 1729

          Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
          Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

          I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

          With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

          hmmmmm trading counts alot
          BUT we most probably wouldn't have had Hickey rucking. Sinclair or Amartey wouldn't have impacted anywhere near as much as Tom who was immense, especially in 3Q and 4Q. In an ideal world, we could've had both but given the choice, prefer we have Hickey.

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
            BUT we most probably wouldn't have had Hickey rucking. Sinclair or Amartey wouldn't have impacted anywhere near as much as Tom who was immense, especially in 3Q and 4Q. In an ideal world, we could've had both but given the choice, prefer we have Hickey.
            A point can be made that the Swans management made some major errors in planning and identifying the needs of the club, and if these errors were not made, we could have retained Aliir and signed Hickey as well.

            At the end of 2019 we recruited Taylor, Gray and Brand. They've turned out to be a total waste of space. So we were stuck with 3 players last year that didn't need to be recruited and found ourselves unable to meet what was probably a very reasonable salary request from Aliir.

            This time corresponded with the hiring of Charlie Gardiner and other major changes in the Swans' management, and perhaps the changes disrupted the lucid thinking at the higher echelons at Swans HQ.

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            • i'm-uninformed2
              Reefer Madness
              • Oct 2003
              • 4653

              Originally posted by Ludwig
              A point can be made that the Swans management made some major errors in planning and identifying the needs of the club, and if these errors were not made, we could have retained Aliir and signed Hickey as well.

              At the end of 2019 we recruited Taylor, Gray and Brand. They've turned out to be a total waste of space. So we were stuck with 3 players last year that didn't need to be recruited and found ourselves unable to meet what was probably a very reasonable salary request from Aliir.

              This time corresponded with the hiring of Charlie Gardiner and other major changes in the Swans' management, and perhaps the changes disrupted the lucid thinking at the higher echelons at Swans HQ.
              All possibly true.

              Also possible: the Swans knew they were coming towards a cap crunch and hoped to squeeze some marginal lemons hard.

              FWIW: Gray played nearly every game at Port in his final year, averaging 15+ possessions at a goal a game; Taylor was squeezed out of a terrific, rising side; and my Hawks mates at time thought we had a great get who’d only been hobbled by injury.

              Not saying you’re wrong, just putting the gambles we took in perspective.
              'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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              • waswan
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2015
                • 2047

                Alir was in his last year ?
                Would have been a decent deal, Freo were circling, he hurt his knee in the Prelim from memory and was flying at the time

                2016-2019 was the time to be in the market for a contract
                There will be some rebalancing next 2 yrs

                NBA did the same, was a bonanza with a new cap, they have since been shedding bad contracts

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                • MattW
                  Veterans List
                  • May 2011
                  • 4218

                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  A point can be made that the Swans management made some major errors in planning and identifying the needs of the club, and if these errors were not made, we could have retained Aliir and signed Hickey as well.

                  At the end of 2019 we recruited Taylor, Gray and Brand. They've turned out to be a total waste of space. So we were stuck with 3 players last year that didn't need to be recruited and found ourselves unable to meet what was probably a very reasonable salary request from Aliir.

                  This time corresponded with the hiring of Charlie Gardiner and other major changes in the Swans' management, and perhaps the changes disrupted the lucid thinking at the higher echelons at Swans HQ.
                  I have long agreed with your long-held scepticism of Gardiner.

                  Also agree that Taylor, Gray and Brand have not paid off. I think Taylor is defensible, given Papley might have gone, although you have to wonder about the due diligence on his fitness. Gray is a total shocker. Brand is ok on paper, but surely a decent bit of scouting could have picked up his lack of poise and poor decision-making.

                  However, we had to fill those roster spots somehow, right? Presumably those guys are on low salaries. Would other options have been cheaper, allowing us to give more to Aliir?

                  I was just looking at 2019 and 2020 delistings and trades to see who we might have kept if we hadn't drafted them in. Darcy Cameron and Stoddart perhaps. Not much else.

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                  • Southern Swan15
                    Warming the Bench
                    • May 2010
                    • 203

                    Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                    Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

                    I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

                    With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

                    hmmmmm trading counts alot
                    AA is excelling as port play a game that enhances his abilities. Sadly the Swans style didnt allow this.

                    Its frustrating but there is no point looking at if onlys or what ifs

                    Sent from my SM-A715F using Tapatalk

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                    • Velour&Ruffles
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 897

                      Originally posted by longmile
                      Yep AFL.com is also reporting Parker and Dawson likely to stay but Hewett and Stephens likely to go.

                      No word on Reid or McLean.

                      Think Hewett is criminally underrated. If he goes plays for Carlton as discussed, get ready to hear about how much of a superstar he is and why would Sydney let him go.
                      So true. As Kennedy approaches the end, I think Hewett is a must keep. He's still only 25, and about to hit his peak. Trading him would be stupid. I'd unload a number of other marginals with some value (Ling, Ronke, McLean) before even contemplating getting rid of George. It would be a huge mistake.
                      My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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                      • chalbilto
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1139

                        I think that Kaiden Brand, Ryan Clarke, Sam Grey, Callum Sinclair, Matthew Ling, Ben Ronke will be or should be delisted, with uncertainty according to news reports regarding Luke Parker (though I think his contract will get sorted) George Hewett (hope he stays),
                        Jordan Dawson (hope he definitely stays). Another one that may go is Sam Reid, though I would like to keep him and get him to play in the back line, say as a replacement for Brand. Also, from the few games I saw in the reserves, the club should pick up Paddy McCartin. Notwithstanding these possible changes I have no idea how the club's salary cap sits though I am confident that the club will sort it out.

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16770

                          Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                          Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?
                          Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard ... we should have won with the team that we put out last weekend. Five points (or was it six?) in the last quarter.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Originally posted by MattW
                            However, we had to fill those roster spots somehow, right? Presumably those guys are on low salaries. Would other options have been cheaper, allowing us to give more to Aliir?
                            I was more than okay with the Taylor recruitment. But I didn't have the knowledge about our TPP projections that our management had.

                            We could have reduced our rookie list by at least 2 players and changed the composition of our primary and rookie lists to meet the minimums with a reduction of 2 players. In any case, we would have saved a few hundred grand by not recruiting Brand and Gray.

                            We had a poor year in 2019 and knew we were in a rebuilding phase. What was the rush to get in a couple of fringe players. We had pick 5 in the draft and Campbell and Gulden on the way the following year. We also signed Naismith, an injured player to a 3 year contract. We knew Aliir was coming out of contract in 2020. All of those things should have been factored in.

                            I don't want to play the blame game, but we didn't have our eye on the ball the past 2 years.

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                            • i'm-uninformed2
                              Reefer Madness
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 4653

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              I was more than okay with the Taylor recruitment. But I didn't have the knowledge about our TPP projections that our management had.

                              We could have reduced our rookie list by at least 2 players and changed the composition of our primary and rookie lists to meet the minimums with a reduction of 2 players. In any case, we would have saved a few hundred grand by not recruiting Brand and Gray.

                              We had a poor year in 2019 and knew we were in a rebuilding phase. What was the rush to get in a couple of fringe players. We had pick 5 in the draft and Campbell and Gulden on the way the following year. We also signed Naismith, an injured player to a 3 year contract. We knew Aliir was coming out of contract in 2020. All of those things should have been factored in.

                              I don't want to play the blame game, but we didn't have our eye on the ball the past 2 years.
                              I was personally more ok with Gray than Taylor, based on recent performances and shorter length of contract. Not a star, but as a back up to what was happening with Paps. Either way, it appears the club failed to back themselves in to retain Papley, and thankfully they succeeded.
                              'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                Originally posted by liz
                                Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard ... we should have won with the team that we put out last weekend. Five points (or was it six?) in the last quarter.
                                7 points. Our last 6 scores were behinds

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