2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[i'm-uninformed2]

Amazing how Port dont have a salary issue
Probably the young talent around

Probably the cost of living. When you have to throw $20-50k extra on every contract to keep players ok with the cost of living in Sydney, you have a problem. Now, if only there was a solution to that.

This is just your friendly reminder that Mike Fitzpatrick and Dill are some of the worst people alive. They are truly misrerable (insert something that would run afoul of the swear filter).

[Auntie.Gerald]

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

hmmmmm trading counts alot

[i'm-uninformed2]

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

hmmmmm trading counts alot

And we would have had Callum Sinclair in the ruck, all year.

God bless him. He battled hard for this club. A true clubman. But he was cooked.

And that was the trade we made.

[Ralph Dawg]

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

hmmmmm trading counts alot

BUT we most probably wouldn't have had Hickey rucking. Sinclair or Amartey wouldn't have impacted anywhere near as much as Tom who was immense, especially in 3Q and 4Q. In an ideal world, we could've had both but given the choice, prefer we have Hickey.

[Ludwig]

BUT we most probably wouldn't have had Hickey rucking. Sinclair or Amartey wouldn't have impacted anywhere near as much as Tom who was immense, especially in 3Q and 4Q. In an ideal world, we could've had both but given the choice, prefer we have Hickey.

A point can be made that the Swans management made some major errors in planning and identifying the needs of the club, and if these errors were not made, we could have retained Aliir and signed Hickey as well.

At the end of 2019 we recruited Taylor, Gray and Brand. They've turned out to be a total waste of space. So we were stuck with 3 players last year that didn't need to be recruited and found ourselves unable to meet what was probably a very reasonable salary request from Aliir.

This time corresponded with the hiring of Charlie Gardiner and other major changes in the Swans' management, and perhaps the changes disrupted the lucid thinking at the higher echelons at Swans HQ.

[i'm-uninformed2]

A point can be made that the Swans management made some major errors in planning and identifying the needs of the club, and if these errors were not made, we could have retained Aliir and signed Hickey as well.

At the end of 2019 we recruited Taylor, Gray and Brand. They've turned out to be a total waste of space. So we were stuck with 3 players last year that didn't need to be recruited and found ourselves unable to meet what was probably a very reasonable salary request from Aliir.

This time corresponded with the hiring of Charlie Gardiner and other major changes in the Swans' management, and perhaps the changes disrupted the lucid thinking at the higher echelons at Swans HQ.

All possibly true.

Also possible: the Swans knew they were coming towards a cap crunch and hoped to squeeze some marginal lemons hard.

FWIW: Gray played nearly every game at Port in his final year, averaging 15+ possessions at a goal a game; Taylor was squeezed out of a terrific, rising side; and my Hawks mates at time thought we had a great get who’d only been hobbled by injury.

Not saying you’re wrong, just putting the gambles we took in perspective.

[waswan]

Alir was in his last year ?
Would have been a decent deal, Freo were circling, he hurt his knee in the Prelim from memory and was flying at the time

2016-2019 was the time to be in the market for a contract
There will be some rebalancing next 2 yrs

NBA did the same, was a bonanza with a new cap, they have since been shedding bad contracts

[MattW]

A point can be made that the Swans management made some major errors in planning and identifying the needs of the club, and if these errors were not made, we could have retained Aliir and signed Hickey as well.

At the end of 2019 we recruited Taylor, Gray and Brand. They've turned out to be a total waste of space. So we were stuck with 3 players last year that didn't need to be recruited and found ourselves unable to meet what was probably a very reasonable salary request from Aliir.

This time corresponded with the hiring of Charlie Gardiner and other major changes in the Swans' management, and perhaps the changes disrupted the lucid thinking at the higher echelons at Swans HQ.

I have long agreed with your long-held scepticism of Gardiner.

Also agree that Taylor, Gray and Brand have not paid off. I think Taylor is defensible, given Papley might have gone, although you have to wonder about the due diligence on his fitness. Gray is a total shocker. Brand is ok on paper, but surely a decent bit of scouting could have picked up his lack of poise and poor decision-making.

However, we had to fill those roster spots somehow, right? Presumably those guys are on low salaries. Would other options have been cheaper, allowing us to give more to Aliir?

I was just looking at 2019 and 2020 delistings and trades to see who we might have kept if we hadn't drafted them in. Darcy Cameron and Stoddart perhaps. Not much else.

[Southern Swan15]

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

I believe so with a fella dominating the aerial battle hands down

With a returning Mills and Kennedy and an AA i suspect we could have beaten the Cats this weekend

hmmmmm trading counts alot

AA is excelling as port play a game that enhances his abilities. Sadly the Swans style didnt allow this.

Its frustrating but there is no point looking at if onlys or what ifs

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[Velour&Ruffles]

Yep AFL.com is also reporting Parker and Dawson likely to stay but Hewett and Stephens likely to go.

No word on Reid or McLean.

Think Hewett is criminally underrated. If he goes plays for Carlton as discussed, get ready to hear about how much of a superstar he is and why would Sydney let him go.

So true. As Kennedy approaches the end, I think Hewett is a must keep. He's still only 25, and about to hit his peak. Trading him would be stupid. I'd unload a number of other marginals with some value (Ling, Ronke, McLean) before even contemplating getting rid of George. It would be a huge mistake.

[chalbilto]

I think that Kaiden Brand, Ryan Clarke, Sam Grey, Callum Sinclair, Matthew Ling, Ben Ronke will be or should be delisted, with uncertainty according to news reports regarding Luke Parker (though I think his contract will get sorted) George Hewett (hope he stays),
Jordan Dawson (hope he definitely stays). Another one that may go is Sam Reid, though I would like to keep him and get him to play in the back line, say as a replacement for Brand. Also, from the few games I saw in the reserves, the club should pick up Paddy McCartin. Notwithstanding these possible changes I have no idea how the club's salary cap sits though I am confident that the club will sort it out.

[liz]

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard...............would we have won the game on the wknd with a fit and firing AA?

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard ... we should have won with the team that we put out last weekend. Five points (or was it six?) in the last quarter.

[Ludwig]

However, we had to fill those roster spots somehow, right? Presumably those guys are on low salaries. Would other options have been cheaper, allowing us to give more to Aliir?

I was more than okay with the Taylor recruitment. But I didn't have the knowledge about our TPP projections that our management had.

We could have reduced our rookie list by at least 2 players and changed the composition of our primary and rookie lists to meet the minimums with a reduction of 2 players. In any case, we would have saved a few hundred grand by not recruiting Brand and Gray.

We had a poor year in 2019 and knew we were in a rebuilding phase. What was the rush to get in a couple of fringe players. We had pick 5 in the draft and Campbell and Gulden on the way the following year. We also signed Naismith, an injured player to a 3 year contract. We knew Aliir was coming out of contract in 2020. All of those things should have been factored in.

I don't want to play the blame game, but we didn't have our eye on the ball the past 2 years.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I was more than okay with the Taylor recruitment. But I didn't have the knowledge about our TPP projections that our management had.

We could have reduced our rookie list by at least 2 players and changed the composition of our primary and rookie lists to meet the minimums with a reduction of 2 players. In any case, we would have saved a few hundred grand by not recruiting Brand and Gray.

We had a poor year in 2019 and knew we were in a rebuilding phase. What was the rush to get in a couple of fringe players. We had pick 5 in the draft and Campbell and Gulden on the way the following year. We also signed Naismith, an injured player to a 3 year contract. We knew Aliir was coming out of contract in 2020. All of those things should have been factored in.

I don't want to play the blame game, but we didn't have our eye on the ball the past 2 years.

I was personally more ok with Gray than Taylor, based on recent performances and shorter length of contract. Not a star, but as a back up to what was happening with Paps. Either way, it appears the club failed to back themselves in to retain Papley, and thankfully they succeeded.

[Markwebbos]

Even without Kennedy, Mills and Lizard ... we should have won with the team that we put out last weekend. Five points (or was it six?) in the last quarter.

7 points. Our last 6 scores were behinds