2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ludwig]

I'd happily take Talia on a 2 yr deal. Frees up Rampe to play a more re-bound role. I know this divides people, but Melican is just not good enough IMO. Talia is an elite defender and provides us the coverage needed to recruit/develop a new young defender.

However the recruitment of Talia would certainly spell the end for our P.McCartin ambitions.

There's no argument that Talia was an elite defender and if the Crows thought he could be a decent defender next year they would sign him to another contract. They've spoken with their wallet and said that they don't think he's capable of playing footy again at a reasonable level. I don't see why we should second guess them.

I'm one of these who think Melican can be our fullback if he can stop getting injured. And I'm certainly concerned about his injury woes. If we can sign Paddy McCartin, I would do it. He hasn't had a concussion this year and the season is coming to and end, so looking good so far.

If we had the McCartin brothers and Melican on our playing list (and not our injury list), I would think we'd be okay with our tall defenders. I would still be looking to get another one to replace Brand. Maybe O'Connor will be okay and make the grade. It's hard to say in these times. I would also consider trying to turn McLean into a defender, if we still fall short by one KPD.

[gloveski]

I’m hoping Stephens and Gould both stay . It’s been a crazy two years and I think the club will back them in providing they both want to stay .


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[Ralph Dawg]

AFL Trade and Draft rumours reporting Dawson has re-signed for 2 years. Great news for us. Let's lock up Parker and Hewett next!

[waswan]

Serong over Stevens not looking great, I highly doubt Serong would have been given as much midfield time as he is getting now if we grabbed him though.

Its what p8sses me when we draft Campbell at pick 5 and make him do a time out of position. we wasted Warners first year doing that

Top 10 picks need to play and in position, they can be wasted otherwise

Gould was ready mate played in a SANFL GF and got it 20 times, not sure his issue, if he couldnt get a game in the last 2yrs id say he is done

[Aprilbr]

Serong over Stevens not looking great, I highly doubt Serong would have been given as much midfield time as he is getting now if we grabbed him though.

Its what p8sses me when we draft Campbell at pick 5 and make him do a time out of position. we wasted Warners first year doing that

Top 10 picks need to play and in position, they can be wasted otherwise

Gould was ready mate played in a SANFL GF and got it 20 times, not sure his issue, if he couldnt get a game in the last 2yrs id say he is done

Yes, I think with the value of 20/20 hindsight we should have selected Serong but you cannot always get it right! Stephens could still end up a good player but there is no doubt who is better out of those two currently. Serong was a Swans supporter too as a boy.

[troyjones2525]

Serong over Stevens not looking great, I highly doubt Serong would have been given as much midfield time as he is getting now if we grabbed him though.

Its what p8sses me when we draft Campbell at pick 5 and make him do a time out of position. we wasted Warners first year doing that

Top 10 picks need to play and in position, they can be wasted otherwise

Gould was ready mate played in a SANFL GF and got it 20 times, not sure his issue, if he couldnt get a game in the last 2yrs id say he is done

Was going to post the same. I wanted Serong in his draft year but wasn't disappointed in the Stephens selection as I wanted us to select the best midfielder and figured the club thought Stephens was it. I'm not so sure they were right... but as you said, we no doubt would have wasted Serong as a small forward predominantly so it matters little anyway.

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[waswan]

Was going to post the same. I wanted Serong in his draft year but wasn't disappointed in the Stephens selection as I wanted us to select the best midfielder and figured the club thought Stephens was it. I'm not so sure they were right... but as you said, we no doubt would have wasted Serong as a small forward predominantly so it matters little anyway.

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The main point is Stephens is not a bust but more Serong is a gun cos he has been given all the opportunity to be one playing as a mid.

I hope they dont waste Campbell, supposedly the best mid in the draft.

Again not sure Stephens is a mid but the diferent rate he and Serong are developing is crazy, couple that with the fact Serong was a die hard swans supporter and Stephens being unsigned something has gone very wrong.

Someone said it yesterday, North (Blakey) and Adelaide (Home state) could easily grab him in preseason draft for nothing.

[Markwebbos]

I’m not sure Campbell has anywhere near the tank to play midfield yet. And his weapon is his kicking

[waswan]

I’m not sure Campbell has anywhere near the tank to play midfield yet. And his weapon is his kicking

Why though ?
Academy system for years, as good a jnr as anyone in his age group and others seem to be able to hold down a mid role.

He is solid too, I understand we dont run him into the ground so he has a 2nd year like Rowy but he is a mid, has to go in there

Warner is exhibit A for playing a kid out of position and wasting a year.

While we are on his kick he needs to be told if he has time to go for a target he uses his foot, handball when he shouldnt have a few times

[Markwebbos]

Why though ?
Academy system for years, as good a jnr as anyone in his age group and others seem to be able to hold down a mid role.

He is solid too, I understand we dont run him into the ground so he has a 2nd year like Rowy but he is a mid, has to go in there

Warner is exhibit A for playing a kid out of position and wasting a year.

While we are on his kick he needs to be told if he has time to go for a target he uses his foot, handball when he shouldnt have a few times

He doesn’t have the tank of Gulden yet. He’s not fit enough to be a FT mid. And may never be. But then he’s quick. So maybe they’ll use him in a split role,

Was very disappointing when he had time and space to see him handball to Melican who turned it over. But then again Campbell was trying to do too much with his kicks earlier in the year so he needs to find a middle ground.

[Nico]

I’m not sure Campbell has anywhere near the tank to play midfield yet. And his weapon is his kicking

On SEN after the game, I think it was Jared Crouch, said Campbell will be in the best 5 midfielders in 2 years.

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He doesn’t have the tank of Gulden yet. He’s not fit enough to be a FT mid. And may never be. But then he’s quick. So maybe they’ll use him in a split role,

Was very disappointing when he had time and space to see him handball to Melican who turned it over. But then again Campbell was trying to do too much with his kicks earlier in the year so he needs to find a middle ground.

That was an example of giving the ball to player in a worse position and who is a lesser kick. Gulden was already out the back of his opponent and Campbell should have gone to him. Still it's part of the learning.

[gloveski]

The small sample size I have seen of Campbell I think in time he could be an elite player . He hit some contests at elite speed . His decision making has gone astray at times but I think that’s more adjusting to the pace of AFL . He actually has more time than he realises


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[Scottee]

To my eye he has put on some bulk since the last time he played. Looking quite solid now.

[bloodspirit]

While at this stage it is clear that Serong is better than Stephens (as is Tom Green who we also failed to bid on), it may be that we decided we wanted a player who was a better runner to complement our more inside players. We were also conscious that we had Gulden and Campbell in the pipeline and we wanted to pick players who were more different from them. Still, I think in hindsight I would have bid first on Tom Green and then on Caleb Serong, ahead of Stephens.

[bloodspirit]

Incidentally, Chris Doerre has posted his August Phantom Draft Power Rankings: AFL Draft 2021 Phantom Draft Power Rankings August - Collingwood Magpies father-son Nick Daicos still has top billing (espn.com). He's a big wrap for mature aged KPD Blake Schlensog (who was drafted and later delisted by Geelong but who is these days doing well in the WAFL). Conversely he doesn't appear to rate Josh Gibcus - the KPD that Cal Twomey rates top 10.