2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ludwig]

I see that Matthew Lloyd has Mabior Chol and Ed Richards on his list of top 7 players who should move clubs. These are 2 players that I think we should take an interest in recruiting.

Lloyd estimated that Chol could be signed for 300 to 350k. If we recruited Chol, then we could let go of Sinclair, so would actually save a bit of the TPP.

If Ling doesn't go on next year, and that goes double for Stephens, I think we should take a serious look at Ed Richards, one of my 2 favourites from the 2017 draft. Richards plays best at HBF, a position that we have a fair bit of strength, especially with Blakey looking to reclaim that role next year, so that's the downside of going after Richards. He's too good to be a depth player, so we would have to rethink our backline to make sense of this possible recruitment.

[bloodspirit]

I see that Matthew Lloyd has Mabior Chol and Ed Richards on his list of top 7 players who should move clubs. These are 2 players that I think we should take an interest in recruiting.

Lloyd estimated that Chol could be signed for 300 to 350k. If we recruited Chol, then we could let go of Sinclair, so would actually save a bit of the TPP.

If Ling doesn't go on next year, and that goes double for Stephens, I think we should take a serious look at Ed Richards, one of my 2 favourites from the 2017 draft. Richards plays best at HBF, a position that we have a fair bit of strength, especially with Blakey looking to reclaim that role next year, so that's the downside of going after Richards. He's too good to be a depth player, so we would have to rethink our backline to make sense of this possible recruitment.

RE: Chol

I think we need another pure ruck to be Hickey's understudy and back-up more than hybrid-ruck. I'm not against getting another hybrid-ruck, particularly if you're not sold on Amartey, but a pure ruck first please. Someone to fill the gap between Hickey and McAndrew in the way that Sinclair has (even though Chief was originally recruited as a hybrid himself) and Amartey, McLean, Reid & co. don't.

I don't know which rucks may be gettable at this stage (I think I read that Meek has re-signed for the Dockers). Lynch? Try again for Ladhams? We might be a more attractive destination than we were due to our breakout year but also less attractive now for him because he would clearly be stuck behind Hickey. Hayes? No idea if he's any good. Richmond actually have a whole bunch of rucks but mostly unproven. Whichever of Flynn/Briggs is further back in GWS' pecking order?

Re: Richards

I think you have identified the problem with your own idea. May be a great player but not a position of need for us.

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Apart from a ruck, surely we need another KPP (at least). I'm interested in Brander, who seems to be available. Plus Paddy McCartin. That would make me pretty happy.

[Roadrunner]

I think Choi would be great for us, and Paddy McCartin is a no brainer, surely.

All we would need in addition to these two is a KPF- do we have anything left in the piggy bank for a top forward? And if so, who is available and more importantly gettable?

[gloveski]

Don’t think we need Chol when we have Armatey . Richards would be a great get but our backline looks pretty good . I always thought eventually Richards would turn into a midfielder so I wouldn’t be against us chasing him


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Re: Richards

I think you have identified the problem with your own idea. May be a great player but not a position of need for us.

That hasn't stopped Carlton recruiting like that and look how successful they have been - ah, maybe not :-)

Go the family route I say, Paddy McCartin for free as a DFA, Corey Warner with our second ND pick

[Aprilbr]

The main point is Stephens is not a bust but more Serong is a gun cos he has been given all the opportunity to be one playing as a mid.

I hope they dont waste Campbell, supposedly the best mid in the draft.

Again not sure Stephens is a mid but the diferent rate he and Serong are developing is crazy, couple that with the fact Serong was a die hard swans supporter and Stephens being unsigned something has gone very wrong.

Someone said it yesterday, North (Blakey) and Adelaide (Home state) could easily grab him in preseason draft for nothing.

Yes I have been saying for a while now that we could easily lose Stephens for nothing in the pre-season draft of he we don't re-sign him. Shades of Membury all over again. Its a sad reality of the situation unless he can be convinced that he has a future at the Swans.

[TheBloods]

Yes I have been saying for a while now that we could easily lose Stephens for nothing in the pre-season draft of he we don't re-sign him. Shades of Membury all over again. Its a sad reality of the situation unless he can be convinced that he has a future at the Swans.

Im a fan of the kid but if he is that soft that he will look elsewhere for opportunities then good riddance . Blakey Hayward Wicks Melican , i have been hard on all of them but they didnt sulk when they were in the 2s , they sucked it up and got on with the job . At least 2 of them came in and have been great since , we will see with the other 2 but ALL of them did not go running to another club who would take them . Thats the way you should be . Stick by the club that gave you your chance and trust they will get you where you need to get to and if it still doesnt work out THEN you walk

[Markwebbos]

Yes I have been saying for a while now that we could easily lose Stephens for nothing in the pre-season draft of he we don't re-sign him. Shades of Membury all over again. Its a sad reality of the situation unless he can be convinced that he has a future at the Swans.

We could just “do a Geelong” to him. Promise him games, re-sign him, then almost never play him.

Speaking of which what to people think of Quinton Narkle?

[bloodspirit]

A new set of draft power rankings: AFL Draft 2021: Top 30 Prospect Power Rankings - August (theinnersanctum.com.au).

[Ludwig]

Yes I have been saying for a while now that we could easily lose Stephens for nothing in the pre-season draft of he we don't re-sign him. Shades of Membury all over again. Its a sad reality of the situation unless he can be convinced that he has a future at the Swans.

I have a positive long term outlook for Stephens. As for this point in time, I don't see what Stephens has to complain about. He's been given opportunities to show he belongs in our senior side, and frankly, hasn't performed to the level. He can read the stats. He gets feedback from the coaches. He must know that it's not a problem that he's with the Swans, or any relatively strong club, that's keeping him out of senior footy. What's the point of him leaving for another club when he must realise that he is the one who hasn't taken his opportunities and played to the level when he's had his chances.

Maybe he has an issue with his development at the Swans. He might have a case. The counterpoint being that Covid has created challenges for players coming into the AFL system the past 2 years. He's one of many players with the misfortune of poor timing.

What's the rational way to approach this? How should Stephens weigh up these factors? I think he works out the problems with his development program and gets on with it. He stays with the Swans and works his way into the senior side with consistent performances in whatever kind of game he can get on a weekend.

I don't see why he should feel mistreated and go looking for a better place to work. Stephens seems like a level-headed guy who can put the situation in its proper perspective.

[waswan]

I have a positive long term outlook for Stephens. As for this point in time, I don't see what Stephens has to complain about. He's been given opportunities to show he belongs in our senior side, and frankly, hasn't performed to the level. He can read the stats. He gets feedback from the coaches. He must know that it's not a problem that he's with the Swans, or any relatively strong club, that's keeping him out of senior footy. What's the point of him leaving for another club when he must realise that he is the one who hasn't taken his opportunities and played to the level when he's had his chances.

Maybe he has an issue with his development at the Swans. He might have a case. The counterpoint being that Covid has created challenges for players coming into the AFL system the past 2 years. He's one of many players with the misfortune of poor timing.

What's the rational way to approach this? How should Stephens weigh up these factors? I think he works out the problems with his development program and gets on with it. He stays with the Swans and works his way into the senior side with consistent performances in whatever kind of game he can get on a weekend.

I don't see why he should feel mistreated and go looking for a better place to work. Stephens seems like a level-headed guy who can put the situation in its proper perspective.

100% Agree

Rumour swirling Freo Longmuir making contact with Mcdonald

[AnsweredPrayers]

I agree with Ludwig. He has nothing to complain about. He's has plenty of chances and he keeps coming up short. If he wants to go, let him go.

If he was a bottom age draftee, or a smoky without an AFL background, I'd hang on to him. As it looks now, he's just one of those players who just peaked when he was young. Unfortunately, Gould might be in the same box.

[mcs]

100% Agree

Rumour swirling Freo Longmuir making contact with Mcdonald

Lol he can try all he wants. He won't be going anywhere at the end of year 1.

[The Big Cat]

Rumour swirling Freo Longmuir making contact with Mcdonald

Swirling where. He’s contracted.

[waswan]

Swirling where. He’s contracted.

Locally