2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Southern Swan15]

In reality, its probably just going back to what the original strategy was in terms of the 'premiership window'. I doubt most even internally in the club would have predicted the extent of our rise in 2021.

While Dawson is a significant loss, we have potentially the capability to fairly quickly cover his capabilities if there is a good level of continued progress with other players. There is no obvious 'direct replacement', but in grand terms football is about overall capacity and capability of the entire team.

I think a 2nd rounder this year + one next year is the most likely outcome, and while undervaluing a tiny bit (perhaps) would fit well in terms of likely draft strategy, as you outline above.

Maybe an alternate could be Adelaides 1st rounder next year with a swap of this years 2nd rounders, to get us up a little bit further in the draft order.

Can't imagine ADL will be going out of there way to help us after the fall out from the tippett saga.



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[mcs]

Can't imagine ADL will be going out of there way to help us after the fall out from the tippett saga.


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Their problems were largely of their own making in that sorry saga, not ours. And its almost a decade ago - all but a lifetime in terms of many key personnel in a footy club.

I suspect they'll offer a 2nd only, we will push for a first rounder in the first instance, and the middle ground will be a 2nd + something - I hope another 2nd rounder, but might well be a swap of picks etc as the 'steak knives'.

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Better get used to the idea of something like Adelaide's 2nd round pick for Dawson ,we are not in a position to really press hard. I think this is a flaw in the Free Agency system but .............

There is a young NSW ( Wentworth JFC / Bendigo /Geelong Grammar) kid not getting much of a go at West Coast who might be worth a look. Jarrod Brander ,pick 13 2017 ,195cms and 92kgs ,22 years old ,22 AFL games under his belt for the Eagles. He has been playing both ends of the ground at WAFL level. Out of contract now and told nothing happening until after trade period ,basically look elsewhere young man. Could be a bargain player at low cost ,useful swingman or maybe turn him into a tall defender. Similar size to Tommy Mac .......... maybe worth a look.

I've not seen a lot in the few games I've seen him play to suggest Brander is much chop - but if we can get him for nothing, could be worth a punt.

[Southern Swan15]

Their problems were largely of their own making in that sorry saga, not ours. And its almost a decade ago - all but a lifetime in terms of many key personnel in a footy club.

I suspect they'll offer a 2nd only, we will push for a first rounder in the first instance, and the middle ground will be a 2nd + something - I hope another 2nd rounder, but might well be a swap of picks etc as the 'steak knives'.

I agree but have you ever spoken to a crow supporter?, yes it was there own making but doesnt stop them blaming tippett, swans and 'Cola', there a very strange bunch the Crows.



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[mcs]

I agree but have you ever spoken to a crow supporter?, yes it was there own making but doesnt stop them blaming tippett, swans and 'Cola', there a very strange bunch the Crows.

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Do not disagree about their fans, but in general most sporting administrators are a fair bit more pragmatic then the fans of a club.

[111431]

Don’t agree Ludwig. We exceeded expectations this year and lost our final by the smallest margin and which we could have won. Barring serious injuries, which may be a tall ask, I think we have the team to compete for a flag next year. An incremental improvement from our young players plus either Paddy or Sammy to bolster the defence and main problem solved. Buddy staying fit and Logan at full forward- I can see it!!

remember we will have a tougher draw next year as compared to this year but hopefully we won't be dealing with covid issues similar to this season. You can never next anything for granted

[Goal Sneak]

I think Jordan misled the Swans supporters but didn't necessarily lie. He said the Swans supporters have nothing to worry about. He may have known he was leaving but still believed this to be true. Misleading yes but not a lie. Would you rather he came out a stated he was leaving when we were about to play finals? The media force these situations on the players and if he wasn't ready to announce he was leaving, what is he supposed to say? He can't really win either way.
Yes, it would've been ideal if he could've been upfront with the club (at least off the record) but there could be numerous reasons as to why he didn't/couldn't.
I don't think badly of him but every time i see him play against the Swans I'll get that feeling of disappointment.

[dejavoodoo44]

I forgot which one it was, but Ben Davis played one good game in his career. It must have been the game he got 14 possessions. He must have partied all night after that. Abe is the one with all the talent. Once I finish writing all those other books that I say I'm going to write, I will have to write one on the Davis Brothers. There's something odd there, but I can't put my finger on it.

If you include 10 chapters on cousin Nick, and his wonderful semi final, you'll probably get it published by News Corpse.

[dejavoodoo44]

In reality, its probably just going back to what the original strategy was in terms of the 'premiership window'. I doubt most even internally in the club would have predicted the extent of our rise in 2021.

While Dawson is a significant loss, we have potentially the capability to fairly quickly cover his capabilities if there is a good level of continued progress with other players. There is no obvious 'direct replacement', but in grand terms football is about overall capacity and capability of the entire team.

I think a 2nd rounder this year + one next year is the most likely outcome, and while undervaluing a tiny bit (perhaps) would fit well in terms of likely draft strategy, as you outline above.

Maybe an alternate could be Adelaides 1st rounder next year with a swap of this years 2nd rounders, to get us up a little bit further in the draft order.

I think we're definitely in the premiership window next season. Mainly because most of our list are in the age range, where another year will do them good, rather than bringing them closer to retirement.

There's a few likely replacements for Dawson, to provide run and kicking skills off a flank: Blakey, McInerney and Campbell. While each of them have a marginally different skill set, each of them could easily become better players than Dawson. Although none of them are a better mark, all of them are quicker. And all of them are probably more adventurous. So, I think it's a loss that can be covered.

[Roadrunner]

I think we're definitely in the premiership window next season. Mainly because most of our list are in the age range, where another year will do them good, rather than bringing them closer to retirement.

There's a few likely replacements for Dawson, to provide run and kicking skills off a flank: Blakey, McInerney and Campbell. While each of them have a marginally different skill set, each of them could easily become better players than Dawson. Although none of them are a better mark, all of them are quicker. And all of them are probably more adventurous. So, I think it's a loss that can be covered.

Spot on Dejavoodoo- a big loss but can be covered as you say. Such a shame as he is coming into an elite level and it hurts to lose such a talent at a time when we are in the window to challenge. We just need to sort our defence to cover the monster forwards.

[Syd76]

I'm also disappointed that we have lost Dawson. He was a magnificent kick and I always felt confident when he had ball in hand or when he going for a mark.

I too, am disappointed that his attempt at reassuring us (that we had nothing to worry about) ended up being the opposite.

Would I call him a liar? Not necessarily. Everyone has the perogative to change their minds. It doesn't mean that he lied. Could it be that circumstances have changed in some way for JD and his partner? I choose to think so. Call me naive, but I won't harbor hate when I don't have all the facts.

I just hope we come out okay from this deal. A couple of second rounders feels right to me. I suspect Adelaide will offer a second rounder and a change of latter picks.

A couple of second rounders??? He is worth a top ten pick points wise. However I will say it all depends on the quality of the draft.
This year's draft is fairly even after the first four picks.. well into the 40's according to the recruiters.

[mcs]

A couple of second rounders??? You have got to be joking! He is worth a top ten pick. However I will say it all depends on the quality of the draft.
This year's draft is fairly even after the first four picks.. well into the 40's according to the recruiters.

On a points basis, two second rounders isn't actually that far off a late first rd pick per say.

What his true value is, and what can be reasonably expected to be extracted from a weak (but not completely bent over) position are probably two different things.

I think the issue this year is a huge amount of uncertainty - the final 2 years of junior footy for most of the players have been messed up significantly, and its hard to judge beyond those handful of 'superstars' at the top end of the draft. I've read quite a few people say its an even draft, but probably not a very deep draft.

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I think we're definitely in the premiership window next season. Mainly because most of our list are in the age range, where another year will do them good, rather than bringing them closer to retirement.

There's a few likely replacements for Dawson, to provide run and kicking skills off a flank: Blakey, McInerney and Campbell. While each of them have a marginally different skill set, each of them could easily become better players than Dawson. Although none of them are a better mark, all of them are quicker. And all of them are probably more adventurous. So, I think it's a loss that can be covered.

Certainly not saying a great run next year is out of the question - even with loss of Dawson and Hewett, I'm confident we will continue to progress in one form or another (even if relative results on the field stay about where they were). My point was more our strategy going back say 2-3 years ago was probably really targeting 2023 onwards to be in serious premiership contention, not expecting in 2021 we'd quite have taken that leap forward.

There is plenty of hope of good progress again from the younger brigade - but as has been seen so often, there is always the fear of some '2nd year blues' and similar in younger players too. All part of the natural development phase of young players.

[dejavoodoo44]

On a points basis, two second rounders isn't actually that far off a late first rd pick per say.

What his true value is, and what can be reasonably expected to be extracted from a weak (but not completely bent over) position are probably two different things.

I think the issue this year is a huge amount of uncertainty - the final 2 years of junior footy for most of the players have been messed up significantly, and its hard to judge beyond those handful of 'superstars' at the top end of the draft. I've read quite a few people say its an even draft, but probably not a very deep draft.

The most definite thing that you could say about this draft, is that there's less data about this draft, than any draft in recent memory. So on that basis, since the rankings are probably going to be more unpredictable than usual, then two second rounders could easily be better than one first rounder.

[mcs]

The most definite thing that you could say about this draft, is that there's less data about this draft, than any draft in recent memory. So on that basis, since the rankings are probably going to be more unpredictable than usual, then two second rounders could easily be better than one first rounder.

Add to that the fact that we may well be looking at KPP prospects too (its hard to know what we will target in this draft), and the top handful are all midfielders, then second rounders could be of more use/value to us. Could easily go in with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds (though noting Hewett compensation likely to be end of 2nd round as such), or as I suspect maybe look for some future currency.

[dejavoodoo44]

Add to that the fact that we may well be looking at KPP prospects too (its hard to know what we will target in this draft), and the top handful are all midfielders, then second rounders could be of more use/value to us. Could easily go in with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds (though noting Hewett compensation likely to be end of 2nd round as such), or as I suspect maybe look for some future currency.

Yes, I think you, me, Ludwig and quite a few others, feel that our first priority should be a KPD, then maybe the best available ruck. So multiple options in the second round, should see us fill those gaps.

[The Big Cat]

Yes, I think you, me, Ludwig and quite a few others, feel that our first priority should be a KPD, then maybe the best available ruck. So multiple options in the second round, should see us fill those gaps.

A club can still pick a KPP with pick four.

This points business is also misleading. Theoretically a club could accumulate enough 3rd rounders to equal the number one pick. But a handful of duds and ho hums would never equal the best kid in the draft.