2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Roadrunner]

We're the only suitor and are lukewarm on the trade.

Port whilst asking for a first are under a little pressure here as Hayes who Port don't want to lose is wanting senior action but is stuck behind Ladhams and both are OOC next year so PSD comes into play!

Port also keen on O'Meara but don't have cap space so clearing $400k next year by trading out Ladhams works for them.

Ladhams has mixed form, his best rucking is very good but he can also be lacklustre, he is only 23 and lightly played at AFL level. If we can get him up to his best level consistently, he will solve our lead ruck issue post Hickey.

Take the $400k salary dump but don't over pay in picks.

Thanks 707- makes sense!????

[Markwebbos]

We're the only suitor and are lukewarm on the trade.

Port whilst asking for a first are under a little pressure here as Hayes who Port don't want to lose is wanting senior action but is stuck behind Ladhams and both are OOC next year so PSD comes into play!

Port also keen on O'Meara but don't have cap space so clearing $400k next year by trading out Ladhams works for them.

Ladhams has mixed form, his best rucking is very good but he can also be lacklustre, he is only 23 and lightly played at AFL level. If we can get him up to his best level consistently, he will solve our lead ruck issue post Hickey.

Take the $400k salary dump but don't over pay in picks.

I think Port were after a low first rounder if they paid some of his salary, in effect buying part of a pick. But if we pick up the tab, it's a salary cap dump, he should come a lot cheaper in terms of draft picks... I'd hope whatever we can prise out of the Crows on top of Melbourne's FF would get it done. Depending on who you read they've got their eye on O'Meara (this year) or the SA boys at Gold Coast next year.

[Roadrunner]

I sincerely wish our leverage was that great, RR, but I doubt that it is. For example, Adelaide's $ may well be quite superior to the Power's due to their better salary cap situation versus Port. I'm not sure the Crows or JD fear the PSD as much as you might think.

April, what I said was that JD’s stance to the Crows should be “trade or I’ll remain a SWAN”! Forget the PSD. In this case, the Crows have to improve their offer if they really want Jordan, even if this is only a threat from him- they won’t be able to take the risk. Of course, this all depends on Jordon doing the right thing by us.

[The Runner]

Did we just become a destination club again?

[bandwagon]

Nice work Thunder Shaker
From my perspective that trade feels a little unfair for Sydney, so objectively it is probably spot on.
If we exit the trade period with our 1st and 2nd intact, an extra 1st in 2022 and Ladhams, I'd say that was acceptable.

[Ludwig]

I think we should try to get Adelaide's pick 33 even if we have to give back a future 3rd or a 4th rounder. I don't mind losing all of our picks over 40 and use them as swaps to get the deals done. I'd be unhappy, but content enough if we exchange Dawson for Ladhams and can go to the draft with a 1st and two 2nd rounders this year plus two 1st and one 2nd rounder next year.

[Markwebbos]

I think we should try to get Adelaide's pick 33 even if we have to give back a future 3rd or a 4th rounder. I don't mind losing all of our picks over 40 and use them as swaps to get the deals done. I'd be unhappy, but content enough if we exchange Dawson for Ladhams and can go to the draft with a 1st and two 2nd rounders this year plus two 1st and one 2nd rounder next year.

That's my hope too

[waswan]

Since when is 400k a salary dump ?
Hewetts 450k contract is the cheaest contract you would have heard about in October for 10yrs.

[Bloods05]

AFLPA would say no. End of story. No further discussion necessary. Move along.

And that is because the two countries have very different cultures. Australia is no longer "the workers' paradise", thanks to the efforts of successive governments since the 70s, but that era is deeply etched in our collective memory. Workers' rights flourished briefly in America under FDR, but sadly unionism never really took root there. The Australian psyche will never tolerate a régime in which workers have no rights at all, not even in professional sport.

[Thunder Shaker]

Latest offer from Adelaide: Melbourne's future 1st round pick for Dawson (afl.com.au).

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This watch over the Dawson trade is rather similar to Catholics watching the chimney of the Sistine Chapel to see what colour the smoke is.

[stevoswan]

I certainly do not assume that anyone recruited from outside NSW is a "mummy's boy" and agree that some interstate recruits may well enjoy a move away from their home state. Every situation is likely to be different. Nevertheless, I think it is entirely reasonable to suggest that if you have, for example, grown up in Perth, barracked for the Weagles, and have most of your relatives and friends living in WA, then there are inevitably going to be strong forces pulling you back to that state. In addition, you may have a manager who stands to profit significantly if he can get you to move back home. Such forces are likely to be reinforced when your relatives, friends etc. see that someone like Jordan Dawson was successful in achieving his wishes.

Good points and I have no qualms with players who have given us a good number of years service wanting to head home to be near family if they have babies on the way or a family health situation and the like. I had no worries about Jetta heading West although I didn't want him to! I do however have an issue with young fellows who have benefitted from our system to raise their value, wanting to go home before they've even given us a decent trot at their best.....and in these circumstances, it's either Mummy's cooking or their partners wishes that are the driving forces to return. To those cases I say.....grow a set.

[SCGonasunnyday]

Great incentive to beat Melb next year

[Aprilbr]

April, what I said was that JD’s stance to the Crows should be “trade or I’ll remain a SWAN”! Forget the PSD. In this case, the Crows have to improve their offer if they really want Jordan, even if this is only a threat from him- they won’t be able to take the risk. Of course, this all depends on Jordon doing the right thing by us.

With respect, RR, I do not see JD actively working on our behalf to enhance a fair trade in our eyes. He has moved on and so should we. He wants to go to Adelaide and does not want to go back to us. He is leaving the rest up to his Manager and Adelaide. They are certainly not interested in our welfare. The only one looking after the interests of the Swans here are the Swans.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Good points and I have no qualms with players who have given us a good number of years service wanting to head home to be near family if they have babies on the way or a family health situation and the like. I had no worries about Jetta heading West although I didn't want him to! I do however have an issue with young fellows who have benefitted from our system to raise their value, wanting to go home before they've even given us a decent trot at their best.....and in these circumstances, it's either Mummy's cooking or their partners wishes that are the driving forces to return. To those cases I say.....grow a set.

This ultimately gets to the players attitude towards the Swans, and goodwill on the way out.

Jetta was open with the Swans for a while, and allowed us time to renegotiate the stupid trade ban and get Sinclair in return.

Zac Jones had been open with the club for three years about wanting to go home, signed an additional two year contract, and then worked with the club to ensure the Saints were open to an offer at least in the ball park of his value.

The Hanners situation was mutual. He was keen to go home, we were keen to ditch his salary and all was well.

My beef with the young fella here is he gave us no notice, stiffed us on having a bidding war for him, and now looks potentially set to walk to PSD.

[mcs]

Since when is 400k a salary dump ?
Hewetts 450k contract is the cheaest contract you would have heard about in October for 10yrs.

Very different world at the moment. Clubs having to deal with ongoing salary cap uncertainty, and the covid 'squeeze' in terms of the cap well and truly biting now for a lot of clubs, especially those that didn't seek to get players to initial absorb more then the specified minimum last year. So 400K isn't much in normal times, but at the moment the potential $200 or $300K salary saving (if replaced with a bare minimum player) could solve a reasonable chunk of that issue.