2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ludwig]

I feel there is still something brewing with Dawson.

Have a sip

[Ludwig]

Question: When does Dawson's current contract with us officially expire?
The reason I'm asking is if we don't broker a deal with the Crows before the end of the trade period (Wednesday 7:30pm), is Dawson still allowed to re-sign with us thereafter before the PSD? If so, this may give us further opportunity to make him get cold feet in nominating for the PSD. Wouldn't put this past the club in the way how this has all transpired & how it must be infuratiating them.

I don't know if I'm missing something, but if no deal is reached for Dawson by Wednesday, things can still be done until the end of October. Picks can still be traded. If an agreement is reached on a pick swap, then Dawson can be delisted and signed by Adelaide as a DFA. If no deal is reached, then Dawson can decide to sign with us or go to the PSD.

It may impinge on a potential Ladhams deal though, since we would have to leave cap space open to potentially re-sign Dawson.

His contract expire 31 Oct. so it would seem possible that the show could go on, but I doubt it would happen, because it screws with a bunch of other stuff.

[MattW]

Trading Day on Fox Footy predicting that the JD deal will go down to the trade deadline. That would suggest the Swans won't accept the offer for a future first rounder at this stage.

Hmm. I suspect the plan is the eek as much profit from Ladhams for Dawson as possible. At the moment, it seems the respective Adelaide teams are pricing each player around the same (absurdly in each case). We need to get as much as we can on top of Melbourne's first rounder for Dawson and get Port down to a second rounder for Ladhams. In both cases we're not the initiating party, so there's presumably room to erode the position of the other side.

[Steve]

I know others have commented already, but you have to seriously question the PSD and it’s relevance.

It is a bit of a joke that a team with pick 4 could/will walk a player through.

I can understand the AFL being OK with the concept of the bottom team or two getting access to the best talent that falls through the trade period, particularly if they are on the younger side - in line with the equalisation philosophy the draft is the foundation of.

And furthermore those teams leveraging that PSD benefit during the trade period to assist them further.

But how far should that go? If there are other factors (eg. geographical / go-home, salary cap, player power in nominating preferred destination etc etc) that are impacting whether the bottom couple of teams even actually use the PSD to access those best talents who slip through, then surely that is the best argument to just scrap the whole thing completely.

[707]

Latest offer from Adelaide: Melbourne's future 1st round pick for Dawson (afl.com.au).

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This watch over the Dawson trade is rather similar to Catholics watching the chimney of the Sistine Chapel to see what colour the smoke is.

I'm not Catholic but I absolutely love that little rickety chimney smoke tradition :-) Some priest down below throwing on oily rags etc

[Thunder Shaker]

It is interesting seeing how many players we have selected in the first round of the draft. Most clubs trade out of the first round of the draft from time to time, some to the point of using the minimum first-round picks possible and being barred from further trading out of first-round picks.

We don't do that. The last year where we had no participation in the first round of the draft was 2005. We have used at least one first round pick every year since 2006. In some of those years, we traded out of the first round and then gained a first-round pick to match a bid on Academy players (2014 Heeney, 2015 Mills, 2018 Blakey, 2020 Campbell). Overall, we have been more consistent participants in the first round of the draft than most other clubs.

In the last 15 seasons, we have selected 18 players in the first round of the draft. Seasons in which we selected two were 2009, 2016 and 2020.

2005 none.
2006 15 (Daniel O'Keefe)
2007 11 (Patrick Veszpremi)
2008 12 (Lewis Johnston)
2009 6 (Gary Rohan), 14 (Lewis Jetta)
2010 21 (Jed Lamb)
2011 21 (Tom Mitchell, Father/Son)
2012 22 (Dean Towers)
2013 15 (Zak Jones)
2014 18 (Isaac Heeney, Academy)
2015 3 (Callum Mills, Academy)
2016 11 (Oliver Florent), 21 (Will Hayward)
2017 14 (Matthew Ling)
2018 10 (Nick Blakey, Academy)
2019 5 (Dylan Stephens)
2020 4 (Logan McDonald), 5 (Braeden Campbell, Academy)

[Meg]

Have a sip

Hope you haven’t misread that Ludwig. You sure it doesn’t say ‘Dawson jeers’?

[Markwebbos]

It is interesting seeing how many players we have selected in the first round of the draft. Most clubs trade out of the first round of the draft from time to time, some to the point of using the minimum first-round picks possible and being barred from further trading out of first-round picks.

We don't do that. The last year where we had no participation in the first round of the draft was 2005. We have used at least one first round pick every year since 2006. In some of those years, we traded out of the first round and then gained a first-round pick to match a bid on Academy players (2014 Heeney, 2015 Mills, 2018 Blakey, 2020 Campbell). Overall, we have been more consistent participants in the first round of the draft than most other clubs.

In the last 15 seasons, we have selected 18 players in the first round of the draft. Seasons in which we selected two were 2009, 2016 and 2020.

2005 none.
2006 15 (Daniel O'Keefe)
2007 11 (Patrick Veszpremi)
2008 12 (Lewis Johnston)
2009 6 (Gary Rohan), 14 (Lewis Jetta)
2010 21 (Jed Lamb)
2011 21 (Tom Mitchell, Father/Son)
2012 22 (Dean Towers)
2013 15 (Zak Jones)
2014 18 (Isaac Heeney, Academy)
2015 3 (Callum Mills, Academy)
2016 11 (Oliver Florent), 21 (Will Hayward)
2017 14 (Matthew Ling)
2018 10 (Nick Blakey, Academy)
2019 5 (Dylan Stephens)
2020 4 (Logan McDonald), 5 (Braeden Campbell, Academy)

We haven’t exactly covered ourselves in glory have we? Particularly in the first half of that list

[Ludwig]

Hope you haven’t misread that Ludwig. You sure it doesn’t say ‘Dawson jeers’?

I'll let you in on a secret. They're crocodile tears.

[Markwebbos]

Worth a read. It’s written by a Swans supporter

The torture of trade week: why do we do it? | Footyology

[Aprilbr]

Worth a read. It’s written by a Swans supporter

The torture of trade week: why do we do it? | Footyology

Thanks for the link. A great article. Supporters of the Northern clubs can all relate to this. I hate this time of the year too! I dread it when a good player who originates from another State (75% of our list) saids that he wants to wait till the end of the season to make his decision. That is the start of the agony. There are going to be plenty next season. Let's hope it is a far better outcome than this year!

[troyjones2525]

Just watched a few match highlights from Ladhams profile on AFL.COM.AU and I was a little surprised how well he moves for a big bloke! He has decent speed and mobility for a ruckman and looked clean enough below the knees too! Set shot goal kicking and marking on a lead also seems good.

He's only currently 23 years old too so has a lot of development left in him for a ruckman! We'd be mad not to give him a go!

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[rb4x]

It is interesting seeing how many players we have selected in the first round of the draft. Most clubs trade out of the first round of the draft from time to time, some to the point of using the minimum first-round picks possible and being barred from further trading out of first-round picks.

We don't do that. The last year where we had no participation in the first round of the draft was 2005. We have used at least one first round pick every year since 2006. In some of those years, we traded out of the first round and then gained a first-round pick to match a bid on Academy players (2014 Heeney, 2015 Mills, 2018 Blakey, 2020 Campbell). Overall, we have been more consistent participants in the first round of the draft than most other clubs.

In the last 15 seasons, we have selected 18 players in the first round of the draft. Seasons in which we selected two were 2009, 2016 and 2020.

2005 none.
2006 15 (Daniel O'Keefe)
2007 11 (Patrick Veszpremi)
2008 12 (Lewis Johnston)
2009 6 (Gary Rohan), 14 (Lewis Jetta)
2010 21 (Jed Lamb)
2011 21 (Tom Mitchell, Father/Son)
2012 22 (Dean Towers)
2013 15 (Zak Jones)
2014 18 (Isaac Heeney, Academy)
2015 3 (Callum Mills, Academy)
2016 11 (Oliver Florent), 21 (Will Hayward)
2017 14 (Matthew Ling)
2018 10 (Nick Blakey, Academy)
2019 5 (Dylan Stephens)
2020 4 (Logan McDonald), 5 (Braeden Campbell, Academy)

2001 none
2002 5 (Jarrad McVeigh)
2003 16 (Josh Willoughby)
2004 none

[KTigers]

Thanks for the link. A great article. Supporters of the Northern clubs can all relate to this. I hate this time of the year too! I dread it when a good player who originates from another State (75% of our list) saids that he wants to wait till the end of the season to make his decision. That is the start of the agony. There are going to be plenty next season. Let's hope it is a far better outcome than this year!

Yep, NSW & Qld have 53% of the population, 22% of the clubs and produce less than 10% of the players. It's a mismatch alright.

[KSAS]

His contract expire 31 Oct. so it would seem possible that the show could go on, but I doubt it would happen, because it screws with a bunch of other stuff.

Yes, he can re-sign with us after the draft period closes. I would think that he can re-sign right up to the date when he needs to nominate for the PSD. That's what happened with ROK some years back when he re-signed after a trade to the Hawks could not be negotiated. Its a long shot that he would agree to re-sign unless he sees that there is a big chance Norf are going to take him.

Thankyou both Ludwig & Aprilbr for answering my query.