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  • mcs
    Travelling Swannie!!
    • Jul 2007
    • 8149

    Originally posted by WomblingFree
    Adelaide are starting to get some form re taking players to the PSD and I fully expect them to extory Gold Coast for one of Lukoscious or Rankine next year if nothing is done.

    As has been pointed out before I don't see any point for the PSD going forward and it should be abaloished. Delisted players should be able to be picked up as delisted free agents.

    There are two scenarios really I see for resolving issues like this in the future
    (1) The provision of a truly independent arbitration body that assigns a fair value that is binding on both parties after a hearing.
    (2) That players go through to the National Draft in the instance of a trade not being finalised
    Option 2 please. Simple, effective and makes the club pay a fair price in some shape or form. Yes the 'selling club' might miss out sometimes, but unlikely in most cases, and at least it removes the ability for the 'buying club' to get a player for nothing through PSD just because they are out of contract.
    "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      Our of interest, what do people think would have happened if JD had tried ti get to the Crows via the ND?

      Would another club have taken him? I can see Port taking him at 16. Do we think the Crows would have been forced to use or at a minimum split pick 4 to get him?

      What is there to stop JD doing what Jack Martin did and putting a price on his head that only the Crows are prepared to match?

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        Corey Warner feature really high in a number of the Combine tests, touch and go that he'll last to our second pick. If we want him it will be a reach with our first at pick 18 or we'll need to trade up our second on the night. Corey says he'd love to play at the Swans so we'll know exactly who else is interested in drafting him and who the threats are.

        With two other Warner brothers in the pipeline, maybe we can get the full set of four :-)

        Angus Anderson, a Swans Academy player, made top 10 of the 2km run, anyone know anything about him?

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        • Roadrunner
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2018
          • 1447

          Originally posted by Markwebbos
          Our of interest, what do people think would have happened if JD had tried ti get to the Crows via the ND?

          Would another club have taken him? I can see Port taking him at 16. Do we think the Crows would have been forced to use or at a minimum split pick 4 to get him?

          What is there to stop JD doing what Jack Martin did and putting a price on his head that only the Crows are prepared to match?
          How about using the price being offered by the selling club as a maximum, or in the absence of this, use the value of current contract plus 15% as maximum amount. Why should a player nominate a price just to be able to put some clubs off? Defeats the purpose of going into the ND. He just needs to go to the first club that can pick him, just like everyone else.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by Roadrunner
            How about using the price being offered by the selling club as a maximum, or in the absence of this, use the value of current contract plus 15% as maximum amount. Why should a player nominate a price just to be able to put some clubs off? Defeats the purpose of going into the ND. He just needs to go to the first club that can pick him, just like everyone else.
            That would encourage the selling club to lowball players as they couldn't leave for more $$ (or only via Trade, which the club can refuse to do).

            You could stop players putting a price on their head in the PSD. It would help, but you've still got the problem of clubs knowing where the player wants to go / be and not wanting to recruit an unwilling player.

            You could do something Academy or F/S like in the ND. Allow a player iike JD to nominate their destination club of choice, who can then match a bid in the ND for them. Means they still go to their club of choice, but that club has to pay a "fair" value for them.

            Thoughts?

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            • giant
              Veterans List
              • Mar 2005
              • 4731

              Originally posted by WomblingFree
              Adelaide are starting to get some form re taking players to the PSD and I fully expect them to extory Gold Coast for one of Lukoscious or Rankine next year if nothing is done.

              As has been pointed out before I don't see any point for the PSD going forward and it should be abaloished. Delisted players should be able to be picked up as delisted free agents.

              There are two scenarios really I see for resolving issues like this in the future
              (1) The provision of a truly independent arbitration body that assigns a fair value that is binding on both parties after a hearing.
              (2) That players go through to the National Draft in the instance of a trade not being finalised
              #2 has merit. I guess for your dead-set stars you're in similar terrain to the PSD but at least those who chose to go this route don't get Lachie Neale AND #1 draft pick.

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              • dejavoodoo44
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2015
                • 8492

                Originally posted by 707
                Corey Warner feature really high in a number of the Combine tests, touch and go that he'll last to our second pick. If we want him it will be a reach with our first at pick 18 or we'll need to trade up our second on the night. Corey says he'd love to play at the Swans so we'll know exactly who else is interested in drafting him and who the threats are.

                With two other Warner brothers in the pipeline, maybe we can get the full set of four :-)

                Angus Anderson, a Swans Academy player, made top 10 of the 2km run, anyone know anything about him?
                I was quite impressed with Anderson, when I saw him in a couple of academy games and a VFL game. Tough inside midfielder who gets plenty of the ball and uses it creatively. Can also lay a tackle. At the very least, I expect him to make our VFL squad. Though I think it's more likely that he'll be rookie listed, or even taken late in the draft proper.

                This is a story on him from Draft Central.

                Anderson rides the wave of a long footballing journey - Aussie Rules Draft Central

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                • mcs
                  Travelling Swannie!!
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 8149

                  Originally posted by giant
                  #2 has merit. I guess for your dead-set stars you're in similar terrain to the PSD but at least those who chose to go this route don't get Lachie Neale AND #1 draft pick.
                  That's the key point for mine. It forces the club getting the player to give something genuinely up for the player, rather then using a loophole to get them for nothing.

                  Far better outcome for mine as it creates a proper opportunity cost that gives them genuine incentive to fairly negotiate an outcome at the trade table, then risk someone

                  I don't mind the earlier suggestion of being able to match bids either like f/s or academy players. Again, creates a situation where they stump up actual value for the player.

                  Want that 24 year old gun that isn't a free agent but is out of contract. That's fine but you also can't expect to not pay some price for him.

                  Sent from my CPH2009 using Tapatalk
                  "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                  • neilfws
                    Senior Player
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1818

                    Wicks 2 years:

                    Wicks commits to the Swans

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                    • Mark26
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 1535

                      Originally posted by neilfws
                      Great news!

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                      • Faunac8
                        Senior Player
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 1548

                        Originally posted by Mark26
                        Great news!
                        Agree while some on this board don’t rate him obviously the club does.

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                        • The Big Cat
                          On the veteran's list
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2349

                          Originally posted by neilfws
                          Hardly worth the celebration the Swans are making of it. What will we get next? Ronke signs on! Or Clarke recommits! Obviously a slow news time of year. What I'm waiting for is the McDonald extension.
                          Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                          • TheBloods
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Feb 2020
                            • 2047

                            Originally posted by Faunac8
                            Agree while some on this board don’t rate him obviously the club does.
                            hope roadrunner doesnt take this news too hard

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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8149

                              Originally posted by The Big Cat
                              Hardly worth the celebration the Swans are making of it. What will we get next? Ronke signs on! Or Clarke recommits! Obviously a slow news time of year. What I'm waiting for is the McDonald extension.
                              Stuff all else to write about at this time of year I guess lol.

                              Going to be interesting to see if wicks can take the next steps or not.

                              Sent from my CPH2009 using Tapatalk
                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                              • TheBloods
                                Suspended by the MRP
                                • Feb 2020
                                • 2047

                                Originally posted by The Big Cat
                                Hardly worth the celebration the Swans are making of it. What will we get next? Ronke signs on! Or Clarke recommits! Obviously a slow news time of year. What I'm waiting for is the McDonald extension.
                                WTF are you on about , this thread has 400 pages of whinging about Judas and his disloyalty , then we get a player commit to the club who plays like a BLOOD and you whinge about it . Im no Wicks fan but are you F ing mad

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