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  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    There were a few games that stick in my memory where our defense struggled this year: the final against GWS where they kicked 6.1 from about 8 inside 50s in the second quarter; Lobb in one of the Freo games; the Hawks game where they blocked McCartin effectively.

    I think AA was unable, for whatever reason, to reach his full potential at the Swans

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    • wolftone57
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2008
      • 5835

      Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
      I'm betting Reid will be played in defence this year and if fit, I'm predicting he will lock down one of the KP spots. It will subsequently leave Melican, Gould and O'Connor as depth, with the possibility of PMac joining the queue. Fox has shown he can play as a third tall (albeit short!). It does make me wonder whether we need to draft a tall with our first rounder given that it's often hard to predict who will kick on with KP size players. Drafting midfielders seems to be more reliable. So I think we should just go with the best available midfielder. Who that is, I'll leave it up to KB.
      Reid has been tried in defence some time ago. His first couple of matches, were OK. Then he met a, decent key forward. I think he got 4 kicked on him by half time. We lost the match at the SCG which was unusual at that time. I don't think he will be the solution there and turning 30 next year is on the way out the door to retirement. Hence a 1 year deal.

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        Originally posted by wolftone57
        Reid has been tried in defence some time ago. His first couple of matches, were OK. Then he met a, decent key forward. I think he got 4 kicked on him by half time. We lost the match at the SCG which was unusual at that time. I don't think he will be the solution there and turning 30 next year is on the way out the door to retirement. Hence a 1 year deal.
        Reid is a backup to Buddy (maybe even behind others) and a backup to McCartin (again, maybe behind others).
        If he plays more than 3 games, our season is in trouble.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          Originally posted by Markwebbos
          Foxports has an article: every clubs biggest issue for 2022. According to Fox, ours is for the next generation of mids to step up and take over from Parker and JPK.

          Pretty spot on I reckon

          AFL news 2021: Every club’s biggest issue, 2022 preview, analysis, strengths and weaknesses, list review
          Our midfield is entering into a 4 year period, which we might call the late-Parker era, which will be dependent on the continued development of a very promising group of young midfielders to add to the a strong core of Parker, Mills and Heeney.

          We have to hope that Stephens and Gould can step up and become quality AFL players. The destiny of a few players, their success or failure, could make a major difference in the next few years. We also have a promising Marc Sheather to perhaps add to our midfield depth.

          The big positive during this era is that there are no anticipated midfield retirements other than JPK. We will have 5 drafts to build on our midfield depth to get us to the next era, the post-Parker era, perhaps beginning around 2026. That's a lot of drafts to build upon.

          We know things do go wrong. Players get injured. Some will want to leave. But overall, there's every reason to be positive about our midfield in the coming years.

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          • wolftone57
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2008
            • 5835

            Originally posted by barry
            Reid is a backup to Buddy (maybe even behind others) and a backup to McCartin (again, maybe behind others).
            If he plays more than 3 games, our season is in trouble.
            I tend to agree. After returning from injury he was ordinary. 11.12 in 16 matches. I think we have far better options now. We actually have options now. Before we had Reid and Bud and that was that. Sinclair was a, disappointment as a Forward/Ruck. Naismith getting injured all the time did not help. But now we have Mcdonald, McLean and Amartey.

            Back, if we add a newly drafted tall defender we will have Melican, McCartin, O'Connor and new drafter with Rampe, Fox, Gould as back up who play tall. Rampe moves to the half back flank, Lloyd to the midfield, Fox back pocket on the small forward. Lloydy started as a winger/inside mid. He was good. But whan we had retirements he needed to go back. Time to unleash the beast. He is a fantastic kick, he makes good decisions and can kick goals.

            If need be we Rookie Paddy McCartin. He would be good depth. We have some serious depth happening here.

            Next year certain players will be delisted. Taylor is only still around because he has a contract. I have no idea why Clarke is still on the list. Ronke will have to improve considerably to hold his spot.

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              Reid had a couple of really outstanding games earlier in the year before he got injured... He's only one year older. I don't see why he can't attempt to capture that form again if his body lets him (and I know that's less than a 50/5o0 proposition)

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              • Aprilbr
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2016
                • 1803

                Lots of good comments there. For us to push for Final 4 going forward we certainly need to lift in the midfield especially going forward given two aging stars in that area. The Dees midfield was a key to their success. There are three ways our midfield can develop from here:
                1. We draft in some potential future stars in that area.
                2. Hope that there will be sufficient natural improvement in our list to possess a couple of elite midfielders going forward.
                3. Try to buy them in from other Clubs like the Saints and Carlton.

                While all three are reasonable options to pursue, we seem to be mainly banking on Option 2 at present.

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                • wolftone57
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5835

                  Originally posted by Markwebbos
                  Reid had a couple of really outstanding games earlier in the year before he got injured... He's only one year older. I don't see why he can't attempt to capture that form again if his body lets him (and I know that's less than a 50/5o0 proposition)
                  He gets injured far too easily. It is his morphite frame. Same with his brother. The older a player who has thus sort of frame gets the more chance of soft tissue and tendon injury. Tendinitis is very common. I think due to the club only giving him one year his career ends at the end of 2022

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                  • wolftone57
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5835

                    Originally posted by Aprilbr
                    Lots of good comments there. For us to push for Final 4 going forward we certainly need to lift in the midfield especially going forward given two aging stars in that area. The Dees midfield was a key to their success. There are three ways our midfield can develop from here:
                    1. We draft in some potential future stars in that area.
                    2. Hope that there will be sufficient natural improvement in our list to possess a couple of elite midfielders going forward.
                    3. Try to buy them in from other Clubs like the Saints and Carlton.

                    While all three are reasonable options to pursue, we seem to be mainly banking on Option 2 at present.
                    We have several players who can e put through the mids now. Gould played there a few times for Glenelg. Rampe played mids in the reserves sometimes. Lloyd started as a mid but we were strong in that area and had just lost Mal so he went back. Sheather, as you point out. Ronke was originally drafted as an inside/outside mid. Amartey could play as a mid he is faster than Kennedy and ferocious in the packs.

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      Originally posted by Aprilbr
                      Lots of good comments there. For us to push for Final 4 going forward we certainly need to lift in the midfield especially going forward given two aging stars in that area. The Dees midfield was a key to their success. There are three ways our midfield can develop from here:
                      1. We draft in some potential future stars in that area.
                      2. Hope that there will be sufficient natural improvement in our list to possess a couple of elite midfielders going forward.
                      3. Try to buy them in from other Clubs like the Saints and Carlton.

                      While all three are reasonable options to pursue, we seem to be mainly banking on Option 2 at present.
                      I'm not sure why you think we aren't trying to improve our midfield at the draft. Gardiner has said we are looking to do exactly that. And this might well be a good year to try and pluck an elite mid from outside the top-ten. Next year we'll have two first rounders (can't seem to remember why)

                      We've got a lot of players on our list who have the potential to become elite including: Heeney, Stephens, Campbell, Gulden, JMac (after attending a few centre bounces late this year), Warner, RB. We all think Mills will make it.

                      I wonder about option 3 this time next year when Buddy's salary is gone. If one of the above isn't demanding it, then we may well be in the market for an elite mid, but they are pretty hard to recruit...

                      We missed the top four by percentage this year, so I don't think we are a million miles off.

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                      Originally posted by wolftone57
                      We have several players who can e put through the mids now. Gould played there a few times for Glenelg. Rampe played mids in the reserves sometimes. Lloyd started as a mid but we were strong in that area and had just lost Mal so he went back. Sheather, as you point out. Ronke was originally drafted as an inside/outside mid. Amartey could play as a mid he is faster than Kennedy and ferocious in the packs.

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                      Amartey is really quick. Can't remember the game, but at a centre bounce he nailed someone really fast in a tackle and got HTB.

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                      • i'm-uninformed2
                        Reefer Madness
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 4653

                        Originally posted by barry
                        That Gorilla only 'monstered' us for 2 goals. It wasnt a gorilla that cost us the game, it was inaccurate forwards.
                        Kind of. We did kick inaccurately and it cost us in the end.

                        But Hogan was also inaccurate on some easy shots earlier, which might have made things a lot harder. Plus, we have up two soft goals from d50 stoppages earlier when Chad got slipped.
                        'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                        • Bangalore Swans
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Mar 2021
                          • 1049

                          Originally posted by barry
                          That Gorilla only 'monstered' us for 2 goals. It wasnt a gorilla that cost us the game, it was inaccurate forwards.
                          He hit the post twice and missed other opportunities. He should have had 6 goals and iced the game. Melican performance that day was worthy of the Malcolm Blight pathetic Pittman spray.

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                          • TheBloods
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Feb 2020
                            • 2047

                            The midfield is in very good shape and we have enough to make a good flag midfield out of , but we can still do with more .Two things can be true at once.

                            There will be a few who wont end up making it and it would be better to have a few other gun mids on the list to replace them when that time comes .

                            Club might not rate any of the KPP draftees enough to bother with them ,

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                            • giant
                              Veterans List
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 4731

                              Originally posted by Maltopia
                              Agree. So disappointed with our first round picks that are not academy or F/S since McVeigh.

                              Think Towers, Ling, Florent (ok), Lamb, Johnston, Rohan (a number 6 pick!), Vespremi, Willougby, O'Keefe.

                              Jetta was a star whilst with us, and it is early days for Logan and Campbell, but really we have done far far worse than 50% success rate with our 'live' first round picks.
                              Yes yes, it's godawful, what sort of a masochistic are you that you'd want to revisit a list like this?

                              More importantly, am I right in thinking this will be Dalrymple's first year in charge of drafting? If so, his record is outstanding. Let's start a clean slate...

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                              Originally posted by Bloods05
                              Sounds like something Scooby-Doo would say.
                              Like.

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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                Originally posted by giant
                                Yes yes, it's godawful, what sort of a masochistic are you that you'd want to revisit a list like this?

                                More importantly, am I right in thinking this will be Dalrymple's first year in charge of drafting? If so, his record is outstanding. Let's start a clean slate...
                                He joined the Swans in early 2018, so the one that really needs to come good is 2019: Stephens [?], Gould [?], Taylor, the Chad ?

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