2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Markwebbos]

I have seen Naismith mentioned as a trade target that other clubs might try and poach.

But boy oh boy wowee he’s 30 and played 30 games.

Do you think having stuck with him this long they’d let him have one more crack next year?

[Smith]

Something I find interesting is the lack of any recent news or rumours connecting Sydney to trades, either in or out, while being in the finals hasn't stopped those other clubs being prominent in post season talk, especially Freo, Richmond and Melbourne. This gives me confidence that there won't be any big surprises on this front. I now expect both Lloyd and Gould to sign on.

With picks 14 and 18 we should be able to close any holes we have in our KPP stocks. Our midfield is so strong with very favourable demographics. Our current senior side doesn't include 4 midfielders with highly legitimate claims to a future AFL best 22:, Campbell, Sheldrick, Roberts and HHK. That's why I would place a focus on KPPs with our high picks. And fortunately, it looks to be a good year for KPPs in the top half of the draft.

It's hard not feeling positive about the future. Thanks Melbourne for helping out.

Perhaps so, however there was also very little chatter about the resignings of Heeney, Mills, Warner Brothers, McCartin Brothers and Leon Cameron. I think over a reasonable period of time Swans have demonstrated a professional approach with very few leaks coming out of the club, so we may well have something cooking.

I’m with you. Hard not to feel positive.

I do wonder however when you look at the Tigers being linked with Hopper and Tarranto and the media talking up how they can get those deals done given their strong draft hand of 12, 19 and 30 (and next years 1st) which compares to our 14 and 18 (or better) etc, we are in a reasonable position to trade or go to the draft.

[Ludwig]

That's the Ludwig school of ruck thought as at today's date (it's known to fluctuate significantly). However the Horse school of ruck thought is less volatile and bends towards lots of rucks. So I think that a max of three spots for rucks on a list of 44 is underselling it and I think we'll have more. Given how prone rucks are to injury and how they are less replaceable I think that's ok. Not sure we need the 7-8 ruck spots we've had at times in the past though.

We do have a few players that can spend a bit of time in the ruck too (Amartey, Reid, even McLean).

Horse is old school when it comes to ruckmen. He'd have half a list of ruckmen. The way the ruck role is played has changed in time. More mobile ruckmen in the mould of a ruck/forward like Paddy Ryder is the way things are going. So the specialty part of the ruck role is less significant, with tall mobile players providing equalization with true ruckmen, not so much in hitouts, but in clearances and impact around the ground.

I've mentioned in the past that my position is supported by Leigh Mathews and the consensus is moving away from Horse and toward Ludwig in ruck mindfulness.

[707]

................................. But if we are going to chase anyone I wouldn’t mind having a look at Hunter Clarke from The saints.

No, take a close look at him, does not add anything to our side, also, is contracted for 2023. I think I even saw Hunter Clark over on Big Footy in the hilarious Moffra's Bottom 50. Do yourself a favour folks and keep an eye on Moffra, it's a scream for the next few weeks as he slowly builds up his 50 players.

Speaking of Hunter Clark, he only one of the Saints recruiting gaffes, they have mucked up so many high draft picks in the last decade, have a chortle at what coodabeen for the Saints if they'd chosen the next selection instead

2013 pick 3 Billings, pick 4 Bontempelli
2014 pick 1 Paddy, pick 2 Petrracca
2017 pick 7 Hunter Clark & pick 8 Coffield, pick 9 Naughton

Shows how critical it is to get those picks correct, they selected three ordinary talents and a delist vs Bontempelli, Petracca & Naughton - just wow!

[waswan]

Working with a more than capable and still young Ladhams over a summer, is miles better then drafting a Ruck, who will want to go home after not playing for 3 yrs

[Ruck'n'Roll]

That's the Ludwig school of ruck thought

Luwig is to Ruck thought, what McDonalds is to Fine dining.
All continuum's begin with a zero (it's a logical necessity) - and when it comes to the ruck, Ludwig is it.
I'm NOT saying his thoughts in this area aren't valid, but you just need to realise they come from a certain anti ruckman mindset
He clearly doesn't like then, and regularly calls for less of them and suggests rule changes to outlaw (or just disadvantage) the ruckmen - It's a hobby I guess. I only hope he never actually calls for a cull of all those over 6ft5.

I'm not sure what support he's referring to when he mentions Leigh Mathews, because Leigh never coached a grand final without playing 2 genuine rucks. Perhaps he's changed his mind? I've not seen it.
And before you shortarses warm up for another rendition of the "Ruckman are dinosaurs, times have changed chorus" - please be aware that it's been sung on this site every single year for the last twenty years.
It was sung before the 05 flag, which we won playing 2 genuine rucks.
It was sung before the 2012 flag, which we won playing 2 genuine rucks.
It's been sung this year, and last years premier played 2 genuine rucks.

I admire the persistence, but it's a bit like the Rocky and Bullwinkel cartoon "Hey Rocky watch me pull the end of ruckmen out of this hat" "Oh Bullwinkel, that prediction never comes good" "This time for sure" cries Bullwinkel - but it just doesn't happen.

The above is meant to be light hearted, if I've missed that mark then I apologise. I don't agree with 'Ludwig The Luddite, when it comes to the ruck, but I absolutely value his contributions.

In hindsight, I can't actually think of a single time since the 80's when a team with 2 genuine rucks has been defeated in a grand final by a team with only one, or part timers. Anyone?

[caj23]

Richmond won 2 or 3 with a sub 190 can midfielder who’s name escapes me as their second ruck

Edit 191 cm Shaun Grigg

[caj23]

Bulldogs won 2016 with key defender Jordan Roughead tucking in tandem with key forward Tom Boyd

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Richmond won 2 or 3 with a sub 190 can midfielder who’s name escapes me as their second ruck
Edit 191 cm Shaun Grigg

Actually Grigg only played/rucked in the 2017 flag, both teams played a single ruck.

Bulldogs won 2016 with key defender Jordan Roughead tucking in tandem with key forward Tom Boyd

I think you're trying to disprove an assertion I'm NOT making, because none of the defeated sides had 2 genuine rucks - which was my point.

It's easy to misread posts when in a rush, I misspelled "Ludwig"

[stevoswan]

Bulldogs won 2016 with key defender Jordan Roughead tucking in tandem with key forward Tom Boyd

Of course, we know this one doesn't count.

[Ludwig]

Luwig is to Ruck thought, what McDonalds is to Fine dining.

All continuum's begin with a zero (it's a logical necessity) - and when it comes to the ruck, Ludwig is it.
I'm NOT saying his thoughts in this area aren't valid, but you just need to realise they come from a certain anti ruckman mindset
He clearly doesn't like then, and regularly calls for less of them and suggests rule changes to outlaw (or just disadvantage) the ruckmen - It's a hobby I guess. I only hope he never actually calls for a cull of all those over 6ft5.

I'm not sure what support he's referring to when he mentions Leigh Mathews, because Leigh never coached a grand final without playing 2 genuine rucks. Perhaps he's changed his mind? I've not seen it.
And before you shortarses warm up for another rendition of the "Ruckman are dinosaurs, times have changed chorus" - please be aware that it's been sung on this site every single year for the last twenty years.
It was sung before the 05 flag, which we won playing 2 genuine rucks.
It was sung before the 2012 flag, which we won playing 2 genuine rucks.
It's been sung this year, and last years premier played 2 genuine rucks.

I admire the persistence, but it's a bit like the Rocky and Bullwinkel cartoon "Hey Rocky watch me pull the end of ruckmen out of this hat" "Oh Bullwinkel, that prediction never comes good" "This time for sure" cries Bullwinkel - but it just doesn't happen.

The above is meant to be light hearted, if I've missed that mark then I apologise. I don't agree with 'Ludwig The Luddite, when it comes to the ruck, but I absolutely value his contributions.

In hindsight, I can't actually think of a single time since the 80's when a team with 2 genuine rucks has been defeated in a grand final by a team with only one, or part timers. Anyone?

My cousin Luwig is not much of a thinker about anything. Good crack with the McDonald's connection, because Luwig is a bit of a boeuf head.

The old fashioned ruckman was saved by the ruck nomination rule, but only temporarily. The tide is changing. The ruckman going into the future is just a tall mobile player. Their influence on the stoppage will depend on how the AFL wants to write or interpret the rules, which in turn is dependent upon what kind of game they want present to the public. My guess is that it will be a game with fewer stoppages and more ball movement.

I'm happy with adding tall mobile players to our list.

BTW, Leigh Mathews has often commentated that the influence of the ruckman is overstated. Jason Dunstall is another non-believer. The chorus is growing. But no matter. Ludwig is just an observer. Rest assured, if the game evolves in such a way that 5 ruckmen on the ground becomes the best solution, Ludwig will be right behind the move.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Sorry for misspelling Ludwig, I hope I got "Luddite" right

[Kafka's Ghost]

No, take a close look at him, does not add anything to our side, also, is contracted for 2023. I think I even saw Hunter Clark over on Big Footy in the hilarious Moffra's Bottom 50. Do yourself a favour folks and keep an eye on Moffra, it's a scream for the next few weeks as he slowly builds up his 50 players.

Speaking of Hunter Clark, he only one of the Saints recruiting gaffes, they have mucked up so many high draft picks in the last decade, have a chortle at what coodabeen for the Saints if they'd chosen the next selection instead

2013 pick 3 Billings, pick 4 Bontempelli
2014 pick 1 Paddy, pick 2 Petrracca
2017 pick 7 Hunter Clark & pick 8 Coffield, pick 9 Naughton

Shows how critical it is to get those picks correct, they selected three ordinary talents and a delist vs Bontempelli, Petracca & Naughton - just wow!

Would argue that Paddy is not an “ordinary talent”, but a man who had a shocking run with injury. We’re now benefiting from this talent.


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[bloodspirit]

'Cautious approach' for Swans big man Sam Naismith after third reco

[Mark26]

'Cautious approach' for Swans big man Sam Naismith after third reco

That's an interesting article. I hadn't realised it had been such a long time since Crayfish played. Do we give him another year and hope he stays fit or let him go?