2022 List management, trading, drafting

[TheBloods]

You want us to delist McLean and Amartey? WTF???

Didnt i say look elsewhere

[liz]

Amartey, McLean, Melican and Wicks already have contracts for next year so unlikely to be going anywhere. We have only three off the senior list for next year and likely to want to draft three picks. If Fox and Paddy were promoted to the senior list that is two more to be cleared from the senior list. I am not sure if they were promoted but it would be unlike the Swans to hand out contracts like theirs without promotion. Naismith if retained will also require a spot somewhere, maybe as a rookie. Uncontracted seniors include Franklin, Bell, Clarke, Lloyd, Cunningham, Gould and Ronke. We can expect to lose at least a couple of them. Taylor, O'Connor and MacAndrew are the uncontracted rookies so losing any of them does not help our senior list. I would not be surprised if all were cut to clear some rookie openings.

I believe we have to upgrade McLean and Wicks to the senior list as they have spent three years on the rookie list.

The Cat A/B distinction matters when it comes to tallying up numbers on and off the list. Sheather (and O'Connor) can only be replaced by academy prospects (or another international player). I suspect that, if the club and Barry wanted to spend another year in each other's company, they would get permission to keep him as a Cat B rookie for a fourth season. A couple of clubs have already received permission from the AFL to do this with a Cat B rookie. Sheather will need to be promoted from Cat B to Cat A rookie, having spent two years on the Cat B list. (I am less sure of the possibility of applying for permission to keep him as a Cat B rookie for a third year.).

I don't think there's a point in the club promoting McCartin or Fox for next season (though will need to earmark a senior list spot for Fox in 2024). So long as they are getting paid and are able to play senior footy, I don't suppose players care any longer about being on the notional rookie list. One day the AFL might realise its futility and just merge the senior and Cat A rookie lists.

[KTigers]

Many of these guys who most would rank 23-30 or so on our list will likely get plenty of opportunities next year (assuming they
are still contracted then) as our injury free run is not going to last forever. I think it's a big part of why we are even in the Prelim.
Just one more winning game to get through without anyone going down.

[Markwebbos]

Many of these guys who most would rank 23-30 or so on our list will likely get plenty of opportunities next year (assuming they
are still contracted then) as our injury free run is not going to last forever. I think it's a big part of why we are even in the Prelim.
Just one more winning game to get through without anyone going down.

I’d think the turnaround in fortune of Reid and Fox would keep those fringe players motivated?

[Maltopia]

Didnt i say look elsewhere

What you actually said before that, in reply to your earlier statement that a dozen of our list can go, is that you were including the retirements.

You specifically said retirements, with no mention of delistings or being traded out.

[TheBloods]

What you actually said before that, in reply to your earlier statement that a dozen of our list can go, is that you were including the retirements.

You specifically said retirements, with no mention of delistings or being traded out.

INCLUDING retirements . Not ONLY retirements

[KTigers]

I’d think the turnaround in fortune of Reid and Fox would keep those fringe players motivated?

Yeah sure. I think so called fringe players just need to be versatile. Even in winning teams spots will open up and the more
versatile you are as a footballer the greater your chance of filling a spot. It seems weird now that everyone was calling Reid
a fringe player, but he sort of was for quite a while there.
He has always been versatile but for some reason everything has clicked this year and he has just been brilliant for us.
It helps a lot that he has so much experience on the footy field. If it gets very tight at the end of Q4 on Saturday we're
going to need some calm heads.
And Fox? He is like a different person this year. And he's 28 I think and has been around in footy for a while. Maybe he is just
a late bloomer. Uncommon in footy but common in lots of other sports. It's really good for him and the team that everything
has fallen into place this year.

[Aprilbr]

When I look at our list, I think there are some obvious ones who will go: Kennedy, Sinclair, Naismith (Rookie list at best), Ronke, Taylor, O'Connor, big Stretch in the Reserves. Retiring or no trade value.

Then we have those out of contract but potentially in demand elsewhere: Lloyd, Cunningham, Gould. Hopefully, we re-contract both but not certain they will accept our offers which may be well below others. For example, North might be prepared to pay a lot to get their experience.

Then those still under contract but who may ask to be traded for more opportunities elsewhere: Pelican, McLean, Wicks, Armetey. A couple of these could go unless we play hardball.

So we could easily see 10 list changes which is pretty normal turnover these days.

[TheBloods]

When I look at our list, I think there are some obvious ones who will go: Kennedy, Sinclair, Naismith (Rookie list at best), Ronke, Taylor, O'Connor, big Stretch in the Reserves. Retiring or no trade value.

Then we have those out of contract but potentially in demand elsewhere: Lloyd, Cunningham, Gould. Hopefully, we re-contract both but not certain they will accept our offers which may be well below others. For example, North might be prepared to pay a lot to get their experience.

Then those still under contract but who may ask to be traded for more opportunities elsewhere: Pelican, McLean, Wicks, Armetey. A couple of these could go unless we play hardball.

So we could easily see 10 list changes which is pretty normal turnover these days.

But i got my head bitten off for saying this

[707]

Trade period, as well as overflowing with BS from journalists, also throws up out of the blue trades and delistings.

We also haven't heard from the AFL, who are always 11th hour with these type of announcements, what is happening to list sizes now the Covid crisis has passed. A return of the cut two list spots would help us a lot this year.

I don't envy the lot of our list management to make all those calls, particularly with so few obvious outs in our list.

[jono2707]

When I look at our list, I think there are some obvious ones who will go: Kennedy, Sinclair, Naismith (Rookie list at best), Ronke, Taylor, O'Connor, big Stretch in the Reserves. Retiring or no trade value.

Then we have those out of contract but potentially in demand elsewhere: Lloyd, Cunningham, Gould. Hopefully, we re-contract both but not certain they will accept our offers which may be well below others. For example, North might be prepared to pay a lot to get their experience.

Then those still under contract but who may ask to be traded for more opportunities elsewhere: Pelican, McLean, Wicks, Armetey. A couple of these could go unless we play hardball.

So we could easily see 10 list changes which is pretty normal turnover these days.

But i got my head bitten off for saying this

Except you didn't say what April said in what was a well considered, clearly worded and well explained post.

[Roadrunner]

Many of these guys who most would rank 23-30 or so on our list will likely get plenty of opportunities next year (assuming they
are still contracted then) as our injury free run is not going to last forever. I think it's a big part of why we are even in the Prelim.
Just one more winning game to get through without anyone going down.

Agree with that KTigers. We’ve had a great run with injuries and can’t expect it to last. Therefore McLean and Amartey are needed as back-up for talls, especially if Buddy retires or leaves. ( He would be silly to leave).

Naismith should be given a year to see if his body stands up to the rigours of AFL and in any case he can take Sinker’s spot in the ressies as backup. We have invested so much in him- makes no sense to me to let him go now.

Lloyd and Harry are defo needed and Gould surely deserves a go- look at the improvement in the Fox after we nearly let him go. The others on the “hit” list are needed in our VFL side as we can’t just field Academy top-ups.

So I don’t see where TB gets his numbers from- we don’t need a massive clean out and I don’t think that will or should happen. Our draft picks should yield the required KP’s we’re looking for and I don’t think we will trade anyone in unless someone special decides to want to come to us.

[Ludwig]

I'm not sure if I heard right, but I thought when the name Griffin Logue came up during a trade talk segment on AFL Tonight, they said North Melbourne and Sydney were the clubs interested.

[bloodspirit]

I'm not sure if I heard right, but I thought when the name Griffin Logue came up during a trade talk segment on AFL Tonight, they said North Melbourne and Sydney were the clubs interested.

That's interesting but also surprising. I rate Griffin as a player but I think of him as a defender and, suddenly, we seem to be well stocked with defenders having the McCartins and Rampe with Gould and Melican as depth. I know he's been played forward by Freo so potentially we could just recruit him as a generic KPP and play him where we need him.

There's always the chance that we could send one of the McCartins back forward but I don't think it should be Tom unless we need to and it seems to have worked out so well for Paddy playing down back and playing with his brother.

[Aprilbr]

I'm not sure if I heard right, but I thought when the name Griffin Logue came up during a trade talk segment on AFL Tonight, they said North Melbourne and Sydney were the clubs interested.

He would be a handy pickup given his ability to play forward or back. North will outbid us but we have the lure of a team in the premiership window whereas North certainly cannot say that.