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  • TheBloods
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Feb 2020
    • 2047

    Originally posted by goswannies
    What team in the history of the game has gone into a prelim with a bakers dozen of players unworthy of being on the list ?
    Im including the ones retiring

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    • Maltopia
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2016
      • 1556

      Originally posted by TheBloods
      Im including the ones retiring
      That's not even half a dozen?

      Sinclair and O'Riordan are the only two confirmed retirements. Possibly Buddy makes three. Taylor might be delisted making four, and if Naismith goes as well that is five?

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16764

        Originally posted by Maltopia
        Sinclair and O'Riordan are the only two confirmed retirements.
        Oh no, you've not forgotten JPK already?

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        • TheBloods
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Feb 2020
          • 2047

          Originally posted by Maltopia
          That's not even half a dozen?

          Sinclair and O'Riordan are the only two confirmed retirements. Possibly Buddy makes three. Taylor might be delisted making four, and if Naismith goes as well that is five?
          Forgot Kennedy ?

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          • Maltopia
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2016
            • 1556

            “The body feels pretty good”: Hannebery refuses to rule out AFL return

            Bring in Hanners on minimum contract to play as a forward in the Bell/Ronke/Clarke spot!

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            Originally posted by TheBloods
            Forgot Kennedy ?
            My apologies. That's six. Where are the other six to make up a dozen?

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            • TheBloods
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Feb 2020
              • 2047

              Originally posted by Maltopia
              “The body feels pretty good”: Hannebery refuses to rule out AFL return

              Bring in Hanners on minimum contract to play as a forward in the Bell/Ronke/Clarke spot!

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              My apologies. That's six. Where are the other six to make up a dozen?
              The irishman o'connor
              Ronke
              Wicks
              McLean
              Amartey

              They can all look elsewhere would be no loss to us

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              • joeykanga
                Warming the Bench
                • Jul 2019
                • 361

                Originally posted by TheBloods
                The irishman o'connor
                Ronke
                Wicks
                McLean
                Amartey

                They can all look elsewhere would be no loss to us
                You've officially lost the plot. Just lot all credibility

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                • Captain
                  Captain of the Side
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3602

                  Originally posted by TheBloods
                  The irishman o'connor
                  Ronke
                  Wicks
                  McLean
                  Amartey

                  They can all look elsewhere would be no loss to us
                  You want us to delist McLean and Amartey? WTF???

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                  • Jimitron5000
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 455

                    Interesting discussion and a lot of moving pieces.
                    Kennedy, Sinclair, O'Riordon and Taylor and four certainties to be gone. Three of them have retired, so that guarantees it.
                    I imagine Bell and O'Connor would be looing over their shoulders as well.
                    One of Gould or Melican will probably go for more opportunity. The club can't have both leaving as their would be no back up for the McCartins and Rampe. Ronke possibly too.
                    Franklin, who knows, but if he does leave/retire, it would open up more opportunity for McLean or Amartey. On the flip side, if he goes around again one of both could ask to leave.
                    The list is in pretty good shape - no need to make wholesale changes!

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                    • Nico
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11337

                      Originally posted by Jimitron5000
                      Interesting discussion and a lot of moving pieces.
                      Kennedy, Sinclair, O'Riordon and Taylor and four certainties to be gone. Three of them have retired, so that guarantees it.
                      I imagine Bell and O'Connor would be looing over their shoulders as well.
                      One of Gould or Melican will probably go for more opportunity. The club can't have both leaving as their would be no back up for the McCartins and Rampe. Ronke possibly too.
                      Franklin, who knows, but if he does leave/retire, it would open up more opportunity for McLean or Amartey. On the flip side, if he goes around again one of both could ask to leave.
                      The list is in pretty good shape - no need to make wholesale changes!
                      But what we must do is regenerate the list every year. Clubs that don't do this, thinking they have a good list, invariably fall away. It's a delicate balance between retaining depth and and improving your list. Love them or hate them, Geelong and Richmond recruit from other clubs as part of their regeneration, while still finding a couple of good young players every year. Charlie Constable came up regularly as a player worth picking up. He played in a losing Gold Coast reserves side yesterday. Clearly there were reasons why he couldn't get a game for Geelong.

                      Take Bell and Melican as examples. Bell has shown that he doesn't produce at the top level and Melican has been constantly injured. These players are not going to improve our list next year so you let them go.
                      http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                      • caj23
                        Senior Player
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 2462

                        Pretty accurate summation Jimitron

                        Before the puff piece on the AFL site I would've thought that Naismith was a certainty to be gone as well, it beggars belief that he may get another contract.

                        If he can stay on the park, and that's clearly a massive question mark, he can only play one position, ruck. He has no flexibility to play forward, in fact he offers very little around the ground as a ruckman averaging 1.6 marks across his career. We've seen how much Hickey and Ladhams have offered around the ground and as additional onballers when they play. So if either of Hickey or Ladhams are fit, Reid would continue to pinch hit as second ruck and Naismith doesn't play.

                        If we're keeping him as a depth option, then it doesn't make sense. If we want him to be no 1, then he'd have to dislodge Hickey and Ladhams, and that's not going to happen.

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          We'll make changes as we do every year but for every player you let go, you need to find a replacement. We have three ND selections, two late teens and a late 30's so that covers three outs. Any more outs after three need to be back filled via the Rookie Draft or DFA who are other teams cast offs.

                          Naismith would be the 44th/45th player on the list, no big deal for him to get another year in lieu of what would be the 40th rookie selected in the RD or about the 100th player selected in this years drafts.

                          A number of players may be retained as marginal depth on minimal contract terms, although we don't have a salary cap problem at present.

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                          • 111431
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 697

                            Originally posted by caj23
                            Pretty accurate summation Jimitron

                            Before the puff piece on the AFL site I would've thought that Naismith was a certainty to be gone as well, it beggars belief that he may get another contract.

                            If he can stay on the park, and that's clearly a massive question mark, he can only play one position, ruck. He has no flexibility to play forward, in fact he offers very little around the ground as a ruckman averaging 1.6 marks across his career. We've seen how much Hickey and Ladhams have offered around the ground and as additional onballers when they play. So if either of Hickey or Ladhams are fit, Reid would continue to pinch hit as second ruck and Naismith doesn't play.

                            If we're keeping him as a depth option, then it doesn't make sense. If we want him to be no 1, then he'd have to dislodge Hickey and Ladhams, and that's not going to happen.
                            fully agree with this. He is a good tap ruckman but not much else

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              Let's not forget that Naismith's spot has already been taken by Hugo Hall-Kahan after Naismith was placed on the inactive list. So he's basically off the list just to get us to the maximum 44 players. He's effectively already been delisted.

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                              • rb4x
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 968

                                Amartey, McLean, Melican and Wicks already have contracts for next year so unlikely to be going anywhere. We have only three off the senior list for next year and likely to want to draft three picks. If Fox and Paddy were promoted to the senior list that is two more to be cleared from the senior list. I am not sure if they were promoted but it would be unlike the Swans to hand out contracts like theirs without promotion. Naismith if retained will also require a spot somewhere, maybe as a rookie. Uncontracted seniors include Franklin, Bell, Clarke, Lloyd, Cunningham, Gould and Ronke. We can expect to lose at least a couple of them. Taylor, O'Connor and MacAndrew are the uncontracted rookies so losing any of them does not help our senior list. I would not be surprised if all were cut to clear some rookie openings.

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