2022 List management, trading, drafting

[BRISWAN]

The only player I can recall from GW$ was Harry Cunningham.

I think it will be hard for us to do a mutually accepted deal with GWS. No player I can think of has ever come to Syd from GWS and it feels like they have a zero trade policy with us after the buddy deal.

To think we will be able to prise hopper or tarranto off them for a fair price is wishful thinking.

Matthews and co are just as bitter as fitzpatrick and the other AFL cronies.

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[TheBloods]

TB, you are renowned for hijacking dozens and dozens of threads on a wide range of topics with your repetitive Chad/Rowbottom obsessions.

So for you to have a go at Auntie.Gerald for raising the need to replace Dawson into a converstation you describe as being about Chad and the midfield.

That's either irony or hypocrisy. And you just ruled out the former.

So pull your head in and recognise that AG had every right to add his/her 10c worth. Especially when this thread isn't about Chad and the midfield, it's entitled "2022 List management, trading, drafting" - to which AG's thoughts on replacing Dawson are a valid part.

What are you on about , i wasnt having a go . You need to read back . AG asked specifically about if Chad goes down , so i answered , and then the reply i got was all about Dawson !

[Aprilbr]

We are close to that window now we’re some players might stay/come for unders just to have a crack at a premiership . It’s worked in recent times for Richmond and Geelong .


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I think that players coming for unders unless they have a compelling reason such as family considerations is slowly becoming a myth in this modern, professional sporting world. The best you can hope for is that an in-demand potential recruit or current player will accept a fair amount rather than expecting a "godfather" offer. Some big Clubs seem to find ways to provide benefits to players outside of the Cap. This is concerning and potentially undermines the integrity of having salary caps.

[Bloods05]

What are you on about , i wasnt having a go . You need to read back . AG asked specifically about if Chad goes down , so i answered , and then the reply i got was all about Dawson !

You're right, it was very confusing. AG can be hard to follow, but it's best not to bring that to his attention.

[Nico]

I think it will be hard for us to do a mutually accepted deal with GWS. No player I can think of has ever come to Syd from GWS and it feels like they have a zero trade policy with us after the buddy deal.

To think we will be able to prise hopper or tarranto off them for a fair price is wishful thinking.

Matthews and co are just as bitter as fitzpatrick and the other AFL cronies.

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Taranto will go to a Melbourne club if he leaves and Hopper is just over a knee reco. Besides we don't need Taranto in the midfield or our salary cap.

[Aprilbr]

I was just looking at the latest injury list and noticed that O'Readon and Sheather are listed as long-term injuries. Sadly, I think both are now in grave danger of being delisted at season's end to make way for new recruits/draftees.

[TheBloods]

I was just looking at the latest injury list and noticed that O'Readon and Sheather are listed as long-term injuries. Sadly, I think both are now in grave danger of being delisted at season's end to make way for new recruits/draftees.

Wrong , Sheather is signed til next year

[Goal Sneak]

Wrong , Sheather is signed til next year

I heard Donald Trump when reading this.

[Aprilbr]

Wrong , Sheather is signed til next year

Well that's good for him, if true. What about O'Readon then? Am I "wrong" on both?

[Maltopia]

Well that's good for him, if true. What about O'Readon then? Am I "wrong" on both?

At least he didn't say your post is rubbish. I got two of those this week .

We have to have three delistings/retirements at a minimum right? Taylor, BOC and Sinkers? After that it could be COR or even Bell, given we delisted Towers and Xavier Reid who were getting games more regularly. We only forced to delist a fourth if we trade in a player on top of our three draft picks and don't trade anyone out.

[liz]

We have to have three delistings/retirements at a minimum right?

Not quite.

We have to add at least three players to our senior list. One of those can be a rookie elevation (and we can elevate more than one if we want/need). So two players have to come from outside via the draft (though I guess we can delist and redraft someone).

Sinclair and Kennedy seem certain to be two. Maybe Naismith. (Who knows where the club is with him.) At the start of the year I figured we'd have lots of easy delistings this season, with Clarke, Reid, Ronke all apparently marking time. The first two of those seem to have extended their careers this season, and even Ronke isn't totally on the outer.

Taylor certainly seems to be on the outer, but he's on the rookie list already so doesn't help clear out a senior list spot.

Wicks and McLean are both contracted for next year and will have served three years on the rookie list so will need to be promoted (as I understand things). O'Connor may also need to be promoted were the club to retain him, though I suspect they could apply for special dispensation to retain him as a rookie if they wanted to, given the COVID disruptions.

COR, Melican, Ronke, Bell, Clarke, Reid, Fox are all players who, I think, are out of contract so may be nervous (my comments above notwithstanding). Oh, and Bud too.

[MattW]

I can understand that. We were said to be interested in Logue in his draft year. I think he would be a good fit for us. I would be willing to give up a 1st rounder for him. Makes a lot more sense than recruiting a midfielder.

Absolutely. I can think of few better signings to suit our needs. I'd give up the lesser of our first rounders plus a second rounder.

[707]

Not quite.

We have to add at least three players to our senior list. One of those can be a rookie elevation (and we can elevate more than one if we want/need). So two players have to come from outside via the draft (though I guess we can delist and redraft someone).

Sinclair and Kennedy seem certain to be two. Maybe Naismith. (Who knows where the club is with him.) At the start of the year I figured we'd have lots of easy delistings this season, with Clarke, Reid, Ronke all apparently marking time. The first two of those seem to have extended their careers this season, and even Ronke isn't totally on the outer.

Taylor certainly seems to be on the outer, but he's on the rookie list already so doesn't help clear out a senior list spot.

Wicks and McLean are both contracted for next year and will have served three years on the rookie list so will need to be promoted (as I understand things). O'Connor may also need to be promoted were the club to retain him, though I suspect they could apply for special dispensation to retain him as a rookie if they wanted to, given the COVID disruptions.

COR, Melican, Ronke, Bell, Clarke, Reid, Fox are all players who, I think, are out of contract so may be nervous (my comments above notwithstanding). Oh, and Bud too.

Thanks for putting that together, doesn't look to be a simple off season for our List Managers. Are list sizes going back out to pre Covid levels for 2023? It was 38-40 plus 6-4

Another team that surprisingly is having a list crunch is Adelaide! On the news tonight that Matt Crouch has been asked to find a new club despite holding a 2023 contract, this after Nicks was on TV 3-4 weeks ago saying Crouch was definitely a required player for 2023 and part of their plans going forward!

The Crows BF site is a rollicking read if you have some time to kill. Even suggestions a poster or two are actually Crows employees trying to talk up their faltering rebuild. It's a scream :-)

[dejavoodoo44]

Not quite.

We have to add at least three players to our senior list. One of those can be a rookie elevation (and we can elevate more than one if we want/need). So two players have to come from outside via the draft (though I guess we can delist and redraft someone).

Sinclair and Kennedy seem certain to be two. Maybe Naismith. (Who knows where the club is with him.) At the start of the year I figured we'd have lots of easy delistings this season, with Clarke, Reid, Ronke all apparently marking time. The first two of those seem to have extended their careers this season, and even Ronke isn't totally on the outer.

Taylor certainly seems to be on the outer, but he's on the rookie list already so doesn't help clear out a senior list spot.

Wicks and McLean are both contracted for next year and will have served three years on the rookie list so will need to be promoted (as I understand things). O'Connor may also need to be promoted were the club to retain him, though I suspect they could apply for special dispensation to retain him as a rookie if they wanted to, given the COVID disruptions.

COR, Melican, Ronke, Bell, Clarke, Reid, Fox are all players who, I think, are out of contract so may be nervous (my comments above notwithstanding). Oh, and Bud too.

My hunch is that a player or two, that are good enough to get more regular first team appearances at lesser clubs, like McLean, Melican and Ronke, might seek a trade. I wouldn't mind a trade or trades, where we got a stronger draft position, instead of anyone coming to us in return. That way, we could increase our space to upgrade a rookie or two, and have a slightly higher ability, to hopefully nab a future star at the draft.

[Aprilbr]

My hunch is that a player or two, that are good enough to get more regular first team appearances at lesser clubs, like McLean, Melican and Ronke, might seek a trade. I wouldn't mind a trade or trades, where we got a stronger draft position, instead of anyone coming to us in return. That way, we could increase our space to upgrade a rookie or two, and have a slightly higher ability, to hopefully nab a future star at the draft.

I tend to agree, DJ, but none of those guys are worth a lot in the trade market. Any picks we get for them will be way back. Maybe a late second rounder for McLean is the best we can hope for? Third rounders for the other two?