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  • Thunder Shaker
    Aut vincere aut mori
    • Apr 2004
    • 4205

    Originally posted by chalbilto
    Spot on Thunder Shaker. Also after the Port game we lost Rampe resulting in 50% of the back-line being decimated.
    Correct. I compiled the injuries from the match reports, which do not include those injuries that are recorded later. Other injuries that won't be included for the same reason are the injuries to Franklin and Heeney.
    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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    • waswan
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2015
      • 2047

      Has any team been hit anywhere near as hard as us with concussion ?

      Im all for looking after players but its almost like our Legal team is supplying our Doctor

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      • Meg
        Go Swannies!
        Site Admin
        • Aug 2011
        • 4828

        Originally posted by waswan
        Has any team been hit anywhere near as hard as us with concussion ?

        Im all for looking after players but its almost like our Legal team is supplying our Doctor
        On the other hand I am always concerned when a concussion is diagnosed AFTER the match has been completed.

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        • The Big Cat
          On the veteran's list
          • Apr 2006
          • 2356

          I don’t think Heeney has been right since he was whacked in the head by Steven May in last year’s final.
          Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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          • waswan
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2015
            • 2047

            Originally posted by Meg
            On the other hand I am always concerned when a concussion is diagnosed AFTER the match has been completed.
            Fair point, was the call to play Tom after missing a week contributed most to his long lay off

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            • KSAS
              Senior Player
              • Mar 2018
              • 1794

              Originally posted by The Big Cat
              I don’t think Heeney has been right since he was whacked in the head by Steven May in last year’s final.
              I can see why you've come to this conclusion considering Heeney's performance this season. Hope that is not the case and he regains his form soon.

              Looking at Heeney's highlights when he first burst onto the scene, how much of a better set shot at goal he was technically compared to today. Looked more confident with flair.
              Isaac Heeney 2015 Season Highlights - YouTube

              On another note, with Buddy now reaching his games & goal milestones, can see further justification to play him as a super sub or start on the bench, but know that won't happen because of his standing in the game. Don't think he no longer has the athleticism to play further up the ground to allow our other developing KPFs play deep.

              I'm concerned Tom Hickey might also be cooked, but they could be due to his interrupted season & still searching for match fitness. Leaves only Ladhams & young McAndrew as our only other genuine rucks if Hickey does calls it quits.

              Kane Cormes has been singing the praises of Kieren Briggs (GWS) as an up & coming ruckman that won't cost the earth in trade. He has another year on his contract though. Been a long time since we had a dominant ruckman to give our mids first use.
              Last edited by KSAS; 16 June 2023, 07:55 AM.

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              • Ruck'n'Roll
                Ego alta, ergo ictus
                • Nov 2003
                • 3990

                Originally posted by KSAS
                Kane Cormes has been singing the praises of Kieren Briggs (GWS) as an up & coming ruckman that won't cost the earth in trade. He has another year on his contract though. Been a long time since we had a dominant ruckman to give our mids first use.
                Briggs got his chance after Flynn got cooked shouldering the ruck in the first half of the season - I hope the existance of Preuss might help us winkle out either of the two young Giants.

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                • gloveski
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1018

                  Originally posted by 707
                  I'll forgive the recruiters if Buller turns out as good as Van Rooyen!
                  I think he will , still surprises me that he actually lasted to our second pick . The consensus was he was the second best player in the mid season draft .
                  I was big on him before we picked him up , I will go on record again and say he will be the pick of the players from this years mid season draft .Not expecting big things from him this year but a big preseason next year and getting familiar with our system should see a very handy player emerge . We’re our list is I’m surprised we didn’t draft a few players in the 20 to 25 year age bracket in last years draft since we couldn’t afford to trade for any ready made players


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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16778

                    Originally posted by gloveski
                    The consensus was he was the second best player in the mid season draft .
                    Consensus? The other dozen or so clubs who participated in the draft didn't think so.

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                    • Roadrunner
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 1481

                      Originally posted by 707
                      I'll forgive the recruiters if Buller turns out as good as Van Rooyen!
                      Let’s not forget that Van Rooyen was an early pick. Young Buller has the potential to be very good but it may take a while to settle in and learn our “system “ ????

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                      • Thunder Shaker
                        Aut vincere aut mori
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4205

                        Originally posted by liz
                        Consensus? The other dozen or so clubs who participated in the draft didn't think so.
                        I expect that the other clubs drafted based on their immediate needs. They're not going to draft "the second best player" if they perceive that another player is almost as good and a better fit for their needs.

                        West Coast - Ryan Maric (193cm forward)
                        North Melbourne - Robert Hansen jnr (180cm forward) - they have adequate stocks of tall forwards already.
                        Hawthorn - Clay Tucker (204cm ruck) - maybe they needed a specialised ruckman more?
                        Richmond - Matthew Coulthard (176cm forward)
                        Greater Western Sydney - Pass
                        Sydney - Harry Arnold (194cm defender) - our need for tall defenders is well known.
                        Geelong - Mitch Hardie (185cm midfielder)
                        Fremantle - Ethan Stanley (188cm wingman)
                        Essendon - Jaiden Hunter (196cm forward) - the first player drafted with a similar role to Buller.
                        Western Bulldogs - Caleb Poulter (193cm midfielder) - recycled player
                        Port Adelaide - Quinton Narkle (182cm midfielder) - another recycled player
                        Hawthorn - Brandon Ryan (200cm forward) - the second player drafted with a similar role to Buller, from the Northern Bullants (VFL). Perhaps Hawthorn chose a player that they were more familiar with here?
                        Richmond - James Trezise (188cm defender) - Richmond elevated a player from their own VFL side.
                        Greater Western Sydney - Pass
                        Sydney - Jack Buller (199cm forward)

                        15 live picks, 13 of them were used. Only two of them before Buller were tall forwards. Hawthorn and Essendon were the only other clubs drafting tall players, and Hawthorn specifically chose a ruckman first. So Buller would have only been considered by maybe three clubs, not all of them. Judging by the number of picks used, I would say that most clubs got who they were after.
                        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                        • Thunder Shaker
                          Aut vincere aut mori
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4205

                          Originally posted by Roadrunner
                          Let’s not forget that Van Rooyen was an early pick. Young Buller has the potential to be very good but it may take a while to settle in and learn our “system “ ????
                          Until Buller learns the "system", just place him at centre half forward 30 to 40 metres from goal and let him clunk contested marks and kick a few goals. Put Paps nearby for the crumbs.
                          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16778

                            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                            So Buller would have only been considered by maybe three clubs, not all of them. Judging by the number of picks used, I would say that most clubs got who they were after.
                            But on what basis have you decided he was the "consensus second best" player available?

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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8168

                              Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                              Until Buller learns the "system", just place him at centre half forward 30 to 40 metres from goal and let him clunk contested marks and kick a few goals. Put Paps nearby for the crumbs.
                              Hahaha I said last night somewhere we should pretty much do that. Mainly because he hasn't been at the swans long enough to become wayward in front of the sticks. Your reasoning is much more sensible however!

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                              • gloveski
                                Senior Player
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 1018

                                Originally posted by liz
                                But on what basis have you decided he was the "consensus second best" player available?
                                Liz there is quite a few articles pre draft on the net , even a YouTube video from memory


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