2023 List Management

[barry]

Crap. He has to work on holding marks. But earlier in the season he was clunking them. Wait. You pull the plug on players far too quickly

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I said I'm not convinced. I can wait.
He was a liability against Geelong. Barely touched and and regularly outmarked by defenders.
I think his hurdles are more mental than physical.

[BRS328]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Armartey based on one game. Yes he did drop or fumble a couple of marks he would normally have taken. He leads well, has physical strength, is very fast for a player his size, and generally reads the play well.

Listening to the coaches, the conditions on Friday night were very difficult with the swirling wind a major factor, in fact all the key forwards on both sides struggled with the conditions, Miers being the exception .

Armartey has shown in the past he can take good contested marks, and his recovery at ground level is very good.

[waswan]

Always amusing listening to people talk about swirling conditions for Professional athletes, or that they were "trying hard".
Far be a mere mortal to have some sort of expectation on anyone nowadays.

Amartey was getting hands to the ball, at that point the wind is insignificant

[barry]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Armartey based on one game. Yes he did drop or fumble a couple of marks he would normally have taken. He leads well, has physical strength, is very fast for a player his size, and generally reads the play well.

Listening to the coaches, the conditions on Friday night were very difficult with the swirling wind a major factor, in fact all the key forwards on both sides struggled with the conditions, Miers being the exception .

Armartey has shown in the past he can take good contested marks, and his recovery at ground level is very good.

Amartey is playing as a key position forward. That's one of the most important places on the team where you put your best players. That's the requirement. Even on a bad day, a KP forward has to be in the top 20 players on the field. Amartey wasnt in the top 35. That's a forward pocket or back pocket poor game ranking..

We should be chasing the TDK, or other buddy replacements still.

[Mountain Man]

I note that Amartey did not feature as a ruckman at all - McLean did all the relief work

[Roadrunner]

I'm not convinced that amartey is the real deal. He was an absolute liability against Geelong.

A bit harsh, Barry. He was far from his best but did a few nice things. Dropped a few marks as others did as well. Of course he has a way to go but he’s only played a handful of games. I don’t think anyone was a liability- we just should have converted some relatively easy shots on goal like big Tom and Heens.

[Roadrunner]

I really hope we dont go stupid to keep Hickey

What are you smoking mate?????

[Ludwig]

I'm not convinced that amartey is the real deal. He was an absolute liability against Geelong.

Fair enough to withhold judgment on a player until more data is in. But the counterpart of that is not to make a judgment on a player based on one game. Amartey had some very good performances this year before his injury.

If you want to make a one day judgment, Ben Ronke would still be playing AFL, and Gary Rohan's performance against Melbourne last week would have had you lamenting trading him away. He not only was instrumental in getting Geelong the win, but even helped the Swans this week by knocking out Jermy Cameron.

[waswan]

What are you smoking mate?????

Give him the Sinclair deal.
Id like to see Ladhams with Mclean and Amartey and McAndrew the break glass.
I believe the above is why we will chase TDK

[waswan]

Is TDK a case of pay him enough for long enough and they get compensation and we dont have to trade picks ?

By enough im talking 600k, 5yrs

[Ludwig]

Give him the Sinclair deal.
Id like to see Ladhams with Mclean and Amartey and McAndrew the break glass.
I believe the above is why we will chase TDK

If you mean a Sinclair deal is giving Hickey a 1 year extension, then I agree.

We can add Buller to the list of players who can do some ruck work.

I don't think we will be chasing TDK. Ladhams looks a better #1 ruckman.

[Blood Fever]

Break glass?

[giant]

There is an Academy ruck who we could probably get as a rookie. He us a big lump of a lad. Last year as an underager he was good.

But the main draft we need to concentrate on speed and good ball users.

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I confess I assumed the Swans would use the Academy to talk to every 200+cm lad in the State, so have been surprised by how few ruck have come through there.

[liz]

Is TDK a case of pay him enough for long enough and they get compensation and we dont have to trade picks ?

By enough im talking 600k, 5yrs

No. He is not a free agent. He is also not a very good ruckman and not a very good forward.

[giant]

A 5 year contract does not make him a priority. We would need to pay a lot to get him over the continent

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Right now the WCE list managers are scrambling thru their list to see what they've got to trade - contracts mean nothing. I'm assuming they don't need cap relief (though that might depend on how many of their aging stars they try to retire) but they do need draft picks. When (I think it was) Montagna was asked which of the KPD options (Himmelberg, Mackay etc) he would go for, he called out Barass in a heartbeat.

Make it happen Swans.

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Forged Paddy Down. Can't kick to save himself.

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Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to swap Stephen for someone good, I'm just not sure the option will be available for us.