2023 List Management

[Markwebbos]

I always felt the Giants underperformed under Leon Cameron in his last few years. Feels like they are finally playing to their potential now.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Just thinking outside the square Re where our goals could come from in 2024 ie we don’t have to bring in a tall forward to replace Bud. It could be a small or medium 30 / 40 goal a season player in a team that has salary cap pressure !!

I mean there is no certainty with existing or new options……

But someone who might be ok value, who could also light up an SCG for the fans is Jack Ginnivan. Divisive yes. Talented very much so. 40 goals as a 19 year old last season 2022 was outstanding as a small medium 185cm forward.

Jack Ginnivan | AFL

He has had the blow torch applied to his game by McRae through 2023 and put back into VFL to work on his deficiencies and in a top class premiers team he still has played 12 or so games. So not screaming top22 at the Pies when everyone is available but also a little room maybe to negotiate with them?

He could be a 30 to 40 goal a season player and his skill would be complimentary to our very fast transitions.

I suspect the Pies probably would NOT want to match massive dollars next year for him. He is under contract now and 2024 and was only a rookie elevation.

Would the Pies be open to a switch of players that they need as a role player as part of a deal?

I’m guessing he signed for a decent amount for 2023/24 based on his 40 goals in 2022? Would u guess $400k per season?

Any thoughts?

We need more goal pressure…….. talls are bloody expensive as a trade…..and Konstanty maybe more a Campbell development pathway ie not featuring much 1st or second year ! Campbell played 17 games year two but sub a lot.

Well this suggestion should have some polarising responses lol ????

[Mountain Man]

On the same "outside the square", I wonder if Warner's most valuable position might be in that Small Forward position.

His strengths are many, but his weaknesses seem to be getting caught with ball too often and some poor decision making.

As a small pressure forward his options would reduce and his strengths of explosive speed, pressure and tackling would remain.

With Campbell and Gulden there are future candidates for the light bodied outside/inside midfielder role.

[liz]

On the same "outside the square", I wonder if Warner's most valuable position might be in that Small Forward position.

His strengths are many, but his weaknesses seem to be getting caught with ball too often and some poor decision making.

As a small pressure forward his options would reduce and his strengths of explosive speed, pressure and tackling would remain.

With Campbell and Gulden there are future candidates for the light bodied outside/inside midfielder role.

I think his main strength is his straight line running, bursting through traffic into space. Last year his delivery forward was pretty good too, despite not having the fluency of kicking style of some others. This year it's been a little wayward but I reckon it's fixable.

He has been caught with the ball a bit this year but I think that's a combination of opponents knowing his game better and thus concentrating on nailing their tackles, and some poor decision making.

I don't think tackling is a strength of his. He can tackle but seems to pick and choose his moments.

He's still young. He's still got a lot to work on in his game if he is to become a top flight midfielder. But I think his greatest value to us will come from hard work on those little things that have been slightly askew this year compared to last. And maybe from playing in a midfield that contains at least one, maybe two, players skilled at winning the ground ball and dishing it out via handball.

[waswan]

Time to strike for Naughton of Ugle Hagan, chips are down, blame game etc etc.

1st and 2nd Rounder for either

[Rod_]

My targets are

Darcy from Freo @ ruck. Seems he is out of favor. Cost less than Grundy

Matt Flynn as an option in the ruck.


Tom Doedee in preference to Ben McKay (over paid for result and leave north alone.)

Caleb Marshbank as an optional back.


Elijah Holland or Sam Flanders - Mid support

Mat Crouch - still got it just and could support our youth.

Paddy Dow - may have it..

2 @ Crows = payback for Dawson..

[Nico]

I think his main strength is his straight line running, bursting through traffic into space. Last year his delivery forward was pretty good too, despite not having the fluency of kicking style of some others. This year it's been a little wayward but I reckon it's fixable.

He has been caught with the ball a bit this year but I think that's a combination of opponents knowing his game better and thus concentrating on nailing their tackles, and some poor decision making.

I don't think tackling is a strength of his. He can tackle but seems to pick and choose his moments.

He's still young. He's still got a lot to work on in his game if he is to become a top flight midfielder. But I think his greatest value to us will come from hard work on those little things that have been slightly askew this year compared to last. And maybe from playing in a midfield that contains at least one, maybe two, players skilled at winning the ground ball and dishing it out via handball.

Agree, the change to his game is his tendency to run to his left, his non preferred side, to try to evade his opponents. However, by the time he straightens up and balances he has run his 15 metres. Just reduces his disposal efficiency. But no point trying to change his natural running style. Just a couple of tweaks here and there.

[The Big Cat]

On the Couch suggests Grundy will go to Port Adelaide (“swans can’t get in front of him”) and no other mention of Swans getting anyone. Naughton and Smith will stay at dogs. No mention of McKay.

[goswannies]

On the Couch suggests Grundy will go to Port Adelaide (“swans can’t get in front of him”) and no other mention of Swans getting anyone. Naughton and Smith will stay at dogs. No mention of McKay.

• Lockett was going to Collingwood or Richmond
• Tippett a certainty to GC$
• Buddy had to go to GW$ for the good of the development of the game in NSW

A lot of water to pass under the bridge and, seriously, unless it’s coming from Neil Cordy or Gerard Healy, what would any journo know? (Even Cords and Heals probably don’t know but I have more faith in them and they don’t say much anyway).

[ugg]

I’m not sure what draft capital Port have left after trading the farm to get Horne-Francis and Rioli in the door this year

[barry]

Why do port need a ruckman anyway?. Is lyceet retiring?

[Auntie.Gerald]

James Worpel | AFL

I still really enjoy this little segment from
Master to apprentice Re the little things that count so much at AFL level.

Re Warner and playing almost predictably straight / direct and forward without a look.

When I started playing soccer in reps as a young fella before taking up Aussie Rules I was given some pretty strong feed back due to my default of playing super direct and too much forward leaning as a first movement.

I mean it felt direct and aggressive to lean forward and go 110% so where is the problem???

The tip was always…….come into every contest for the ball on an angle vs direct, otherwise u are sending a telegraph message to every single player and coach. Never ever lean to far forward otherwise every single other opposing player knows which way your body is moving and they will anticipate your move. Be centred and upright with you movements so u can move 360 degrees as u need to to keep possession.

Always scan over your back before approaching so u have at least 270 degrees vision ie arcing towards the contest provides maximum range of vision, time and choice with the ball. Hewett, Kennedy and Mitchell were amazing at their ability to arc into a contest and moving 360 degrees when needed to keep us in possession.

Always look forward for the immediate easy pass, then sideways and then backwards and always in this order so your team who is running past u or in front of u is attacking and not running back 100m the other way unnecessarily if u screw it up and turnover the ball.

For me Chad is powerful but he needs to arc into the contest so he has greater choice and time with the ball, which means he stays in possession and so does our team when it matters most !

[Thunder Shaker]

I’m not sure what draft capital Port have left after trading the farm to get Horne-Francis and Rioli in the door this year

Port's draft hand resembles a box of chocolates with nothing left but the hard toffees and assorted wrappers. Port has picks 37, 43 and 72 plus their future picks. They sit at the bottom of the pick value ladder by some distance.

Nevertheless, Grundy could end up at Port for Port's future second-round pick. Grundy went to Melbourne for a trade of a similar value.

What mystifies me is how Port Adelaide could end up with McKay. Port Adelaide is one of four clubs interested, along with Sydney, Essendon and Hawthorn. As shown above, Port Adelaide lack any significant draft capital. Either they must give up players in a trade, or they would be offering McKay a massive contract which would strain their salary cap.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I think his main strength is his straight line running, bursting through traffic into space. Last year his delivery forward was pretty good too, despite not having the fluency of kicking style of some others. This year it's been a little wayward but I reckon it's fixable.

He has been caught with the ball a bit this year but I think that's a combination of opponents knowing his game better and thus concentrating on nailing their tackles, and some poor decision making.

I don't think tackling is a strength of his. He can tackle but seems to pick and choose his moments.

He's still young. He's still got a lot to work on in his game if he is to become a top flight midfielder. But I think his greatest value to us will come from hard work on those little things that have been slightly askew this year compared to last. And maybe from playing in a midfield that contains at least one, maybe two, players skilled at winning the ground ball and dishing it out via handball.

I think this is largely true, and the last point in particular. He will love playing alongside Sheldrick, who knows how to win the ball but importantly, use his body positioning to create space for the handball out. Ground ball gets also seem a strength of Caiden Cleary, so we will see if he makes it.

I see Chad’s defence a bit differently. He’s improved his work at stoppages a lot. He infamously cost us three goals in the final against GWS a couple of years back with lapses at stoppages, though it was hard to be tough on him as he was finding his way and had come back after a long break. He seemed to front run the play, whereas now he’s worked out he doesn’t need to as much as his explosive power will get him where he needs to be on offence anyway. It shows a willingness to learn, and quickly. He will never be a Rowbottom style tackler, but you don’t want him to be either.

I think what’s impressed me most about him this year is even though he hasn’t been at the elite level he was last year, he’s still had a good impact and persisted. The game against the Suns a few weeks back was emblematic. His field kicking was putrid and a lot of players would have turned it up. But he still racked up almost 30 possessions and jagged a couple of goals.

As you say, he still has some work to do to be consistently elite. But he seems a resilient and determined player, and a quick learner.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Agree, the change to his game is his tendency to run to his left, his non preferred side, to try to evade his opponents. However, by the time he straightens up and balances he has run his 15 metres. Just reduces his disposal efficiency. But no point trying to change his natural running style. Just a couple of tweaks here and there.

I think his opponents are giving him more respect this year, and may have started to work him out a bit.
So when he goes left, they keep at him and don't give him time to straighten up etc. He then kicks with his preferred foot, but is forced to use the outside of his foot (and a splash of checkside-voodoo) to get the ball where he wants it to go.
I know it's old fashioned to expect players to be at least semi-competent with both feet, but sheesh he'd be lot less predicable (and more effective) if he wasn't so one sided by foot.