2023 Finals Series

[Thunder Shaker]

I follow all those threads because history is a major interest of mine. I don't recall one in which anyone alleged that "the Swans' origin/identity was fabricated". I don't know what you mean. Our origin is well-known.

Every club's origin was "fabricated". The difference with the older clubs and the new ones is there's nobody alive who can remember when the older clubs were founded.
I don't consider the distinction to be important. To paraphrase Nirvana: Here we are now, we'll entertain you. The Giants are doing that with a watchable brand of football and good on them. For that matter, the other three clubs in the prelims are as well.
I don't care who wins as long as Carlton loses. Two finals wins and Carlton supporters get arrogant very quickly.

[Sandridge]

I don't care who wins as long as Carlton loses. Two finals wins and Carlton supporters get arrogant very quickly.

With you there! As pointed out by wolftone in an earlier post in this thread, Carlton fell over the line in 2 finals against teams that shot themselves in the foot. Unfortunately, we were one of those teams! I also reckon Carlton got the better of the umpiring in their win against Melbourne. Hard to see them troubling Brisbane but you never know.

[barry]

The point is, neither team can make that claim. But only one tries to, as a way of portraying themselves as the more "authentic" one. It's just silly.

I disagree, they can.

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And us swans fan shouldnt be seen as the gatekeepers of what is Sydney and what isn't.

[KTigers]

Sorry folks, but we have an "Official Crypto Currency Partner". I'm not sure we'll ever be about to live that one down.
Our club will take money from anyone. So, it's probably best to stay off the high horse at all times.

[wolftone57]

With you there! As pointed out by wolftone in an earlier post in this thread, Carlton fell over the line in 2 finals against teams that shot themselves in the foot. Unfortunately, we were one of those teams! I also reckon Carlton got the better of the umpiring in their win against Melbourne. Hard to see them troubling Brisbane but you never know.

LIONS V BLUES

If Lions kick straight they will flog Blues. Blues just don't have enough strength to counter the Lions in the key positions. Every week what I hear from the pundits about the Blues backs is Weitering, Weitering oh & don't forget Kemp. Saad is easily taken care of. Newman will get to say 'Hello Charlie most likely and Charlie will burn him off'. Their backs are gettable. We got their mids for 2.5 quarters & so did Dees. If they can't score from clearance they are hamstrung. Whereas, the Lions can score easily both ways. Their mids are brutal. Their backs are mean and their forwarss can destroy you in 5 minutes of footy. I don't think Blues have quite enough fire power as yet.

PIES V GIANTS

The Pies mids are SLOW. If Green, Kelly, Perryman, Coniglio, Ward, Daniels get hold of them they will destroy the Pies mids. I think the Pies are overrated in the mids. By hook or by crook Pies will play Daicos, which is a mistake. Get through to the GF then play him. But they won't they will bring him back now because they are far too overconfident. He will be playing with no match fitness and a question over his general fitness. Not good. Who gets Greene? Quaynor? Maynard? they have used both in the past. The rope a dope will be on. concentrate on Hogan & Greene and get destroyed by Daniels & co. Not to mention the mids like Kelly & Coniglio who kick goals. GWs will not bomb in like Dees. The GWS backs are MEAN,MEAN, MEAN. Like Junkyard Dogs. They will fight like hell to get the ball out. Pies give you a chance every time they run the ball. They are always only 1 metre away from a turnover. If they do turn it over the chances of the score going the other way are about 90% if the opponent plays the sensible game of not letting Moore & Murphy have a sniff. In other words caress the ball into the forward line. GWS will not fall into the same trap as Dees & give the Pies easy rebound 50's. Pies forward line is always a worry. They have Jaimie & then the serviceable players, other than Hill. Hill is dynamic. But there is one problem for him against GWS, who will turn him to ASH. Ash is faster, tighter than a Fish's a/hole & will run off him to set up as Bobby can be a bit loose at times. Jamie Elliot has to have a huge game for Pies to win here. His Blue Collar workers in Mihocek, McStay & McCreery will have to have huge games if they are to win. Adams will not play as he has done a hammy. He is crucial to them winning in my opinion. His drive and smarts around the ball give them a sniff every time. He also uses it really well and rarely gets caught. Noble will probably come back or possibly Fin MacRae, who would be better being a mid and a fast one at that. But they will probably go for experience over pace. GWS to have far too much talent and smarts for Pies. But I think their system is better than the Pies who are very vulnerable on turnover.

[Bloods05]

I disagree, they can.

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And us swans fan shouldnt be seen as the gatekeepers of what is Sydney and what isn't.

No intention of doing anything of the kind on my part. And yes, anyone can make any claim they like. And if I form the opinion that that claim is a silly one, I will say so. And did.

[stevoswan]

Do you reckon it was the same Melbourne boardroom that decided South Melbourne needed to move up to Sydney in the late
70s/early 80s? Cos I don't remember seeing any people up here marching down George St demanding Sydney have its own
VFL team.

.....or demanding a second AFL team for that matter.

[stevoswan]

Yep, point being that the swans origin/identity was fabricated. So I don't think we should mock the neighbours on that score. A thread pops up every couple of years, and participants now recognise the situation for what it is. It doesn't affect their love for the Swans.

So you're saying that the Sydney Swans South Melbourne history is 'fabricated'? How weird.

GWS have no identity. They may fabricate one if they ever have sustained success. As much as I'm enjoying their finals run this year, I won't be holding my breath.

[KTigers]

That's right Stevo. No one up here was marching to demand a second AFL team because half the population didn't know
we had a first AFL team, and the other half didn't know what an AFL team was. They still don't.

[barry]

There actually was a small but vocal group of people calling for a second AFL team in Sydney, because Sydney is very tribal, and the swans were seen as too eastern suburbs*

* - which was the right strategy btw. Sydney is too big to be everything to everybody.

[The Big Cat]

There actually was a small but vocal group of people calling for a second AFL team in Sydney, because Sydney is very tribal,

You’re right about the small bit. And why isn’t the GWS based at Blacktown if they mean so much to Western Sydney. Seems to me like the equivalent of the Western Bulldogs being located in St Kilda.

[Bloods05]

So you're saying that the Sydney Swans South Melbourne history is 'fabricated'? How weird.

Yes, a very weird thing to say. Nonsensical in fact.

GWS will build some sort of identity over time. The AFL, in its authoritarian way, will ensure they survive long-term no matter what. So of course an identity will evolve with the passing of time. To try to build it on the basis of petty, juvenile jibes at its cross-town rival is not the way I'd go about it. You need something more substantial than that if you want respect.

But if that's how they want to do it, let that be their identity. That will make it easy for sensible and honourable people in Sydney to know know where their loyalty lies.

[Kafka's Ghost]

The AFL is absolutely gagging for a Collingwood - Carlton GF; the Giants get a 6 day break, Carlton get an 8 day break.


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[Bloods05]

The AFL is absolutely gagging for a Collingwood - Carlton GF; the Giants get a 6 day break, Carlton get an 8 day break.


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So they knew Carlton would beat Melbourne?

[KTigers]

The AFL is absolutely gagging for a Collingwood - Carlton GF; the Giants get a 6 day break, Carlton get an 8 day break.

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I just can't see Carlton getting away with falling over the line three weeks in a row. Their luck has to run out sometime.